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Partij voor de Dieren. It's a simplistic slogan, probably not meant to be taken too seriously.



Why would you say that? It sounds like classical ecologist rhetoric. Stop producing shit, stop trying to measure what cannot be measure. Just make sure everyone is housed and fed and suddenly things are better. Sounds like a better and more serious political program to me than any other political party i've heard lately. But hey i'm an anarchist so "fuck capitalism" has always been my program, it's just not what we hear from political parties usually ;)

See anti-productivism, anti-extractivism, anti-capitalism... Or as some writer once said, approximately, "Progress is the myth that says full ahead is always the right direction, ecology is the discipline that teaches us it's a complete disaster"


> stop trying to measure what cannot be measure

That'll work out just fine, I'm sure.

> Just make sure everyone is housed and fed and suddenly things are better.

Literally 99.8% of the population is housed and fed.

But saying economic growth (however you define it) is the problem, means that economic shrinkage is a solution. I'm not so sure about that. I'm also 100% convinced the problem isn't economic growth, but pollution and other ways of exploiting nature that form part of the problem. But saying that lacks that edge.


>> stop trying to measure what cannot be measure > That'll work out just fine, I'm sure.

?

> Literally 99.8% of the population is housed and fed.

You obviously live in a bubble. In USA or France, there's millions of people living below the poverty line despite residing in the richest nations on Earth (that are so rich because they are pillaging every other nation there is through neocolonial schemes).

There's countless homeless folks and even more mishoused folks and persons forced to live in bad conditions despite there being millions of empty apartments...

> economic shrinkage is a solution

Economic shrinkage is the only solution is you want the next generation to have drinkable water. All scientists agree we can't go on like that, it's not exactly rocket science.

> the problem isn't economic growth, but pollution and other ways of exploiting nature

It's entirely correlated. There is no economic growth without extractivism. Hence the degrowth movement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degrowth


> You obviously live in a bubble.

Partij voor de Dieren is a Dutch party. That's the 'bubble' I live in.

> There's countless homeless folks

In France, there are 140,000 homeless people. Also 0.2% of the population.

> extractivism

Your condescension is very visible behind your neologisms.

> Hence the degrowth movement

Saying "consumerism" is bad for the environment is rather a different statement from "economic growth is the problem".

> > stop trying to measure what cannot be measure > That'll work out just fine, I'm sure.

> ?

Well, for starters, you can't measure happiness, well-being of humans, animals or plants, air quality, etc. And when there are countless homeless folks, you can't even measure that.

IMO, some approximate measure of your goals, with a sensible flexibility and understanding of its biases, is good enough to steer away from the worst consequences of your policy. But go ahead, base your policies on gut feelings. We all know where that ends.




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