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> If you're seriously trying to convince someone they're wrong, you need to be kind, be patient, and have a calm, productive discussion

I am doubtful someone spreading anti-vax nonsense can be convinced they’re wrong. (Emphasis on spreading, not just believing or questioning.)

What one can do is inhibit the spread of their misinformation. For that purpose, given the stakes, being direct to the point of roughness can be warranted.




He just screamed at them.

Getting angry is easy.

Persuasion is the hard part.


You would need to consult with the original poster to be certain of that. What Linus posted included important facts such as the large number of lives saved and the shared nature of viral immunity. You are reacting primarily to tone as if health in a social context is purely about good feelings.


When Linus starts out with "Please keep your insane" - the reader/original poster will enter a defensive mode.

Imagine that internal monologue - "Am I insane? I'm smart? I'm an analytic person. Why is he calling me insane? HE'S the insane one!"

Because Linus thinks this is a logical fight. But it's not.

Information is _not_ all that's needed to be persuaded. And if he really care about the vax effort, his efforts would be focused on pulling others over to the vax side, not drawing the line thicker by belittling comments.


> When Linus starts out with "Please keep your insane" - the reader/original poster will enter a defensive mode

You're assuming the goal is convincing the original poster. Given that goal, you are correct.

The counterargument: OP doesn't matter. Their effect on third parties is key. Reasonably engaging with OP validates their thinking. (Which, to reiterate, is nonsense.) Yes– calm, patient rhetoric has a higher chance of succeeding with them. But it's also likely to leave bystanders neutral or open to OP's arguments. Excoriating OP guarantees they'll hate you. But it increases the chance that third parties get the message.

You're a good soul. You care about OP. We're...well, we're bastards. To us, OP is beyond saving. What matters is the people around her. The people on the internet, who might passively read her drivel and believe it and skip vaccination. There are more of them than there are her, and they–unlike her–didn't choose to be in their position.


> We're...well, we're bastards. To us, OP is beyond saving. What matters is the people around her.

Upvoting wasn't enough. Linus reaction is perfect. Even if it was just driven by emotions I completely understand it.


The OP will post elsewhere. He gets virtual high fives from his crew and done nothing for the movement.


Why would you assume belittling and yelling would silence the OP?

It only stands to redirect the effort. They may stop posting on the list, but Linus has done none of the hard work of persuasion, so they will post elsewhere.

Again, he does the movement zero favors. All the privilege in the world to bring someone over, and he pisses it away.


Why would linuses response discourage third party interest?

He just belittled. An abusive response. Hes smart but at the same time emotionally inept.

The kind of guy who can’t determine whether he’s moving the line forward or back.

He’s sad. He’d have zero placement in sales, therapy, or anywhere else where persuasion takes place.


While this person is probably beyond help, it effectively stopped him (and others) from writing more nonsense on LKML.

I think this was the best result we could achieve.




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