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Do you know if Paddle files taxes for you? And just send you 1099? Or it is similar to Stripe Tax, they just collect and you have to file taxes?



I use Paddle, they do file 99% of your taxes for you.

In effect, they sell the product to customers, and handle all the tax on that side, for every tax regime in the world.

Meanwhile you act as a company with a single B2B client and one invoice a month (covering Paddle's net sales minus 5%) instead of N invoices. They send you an email every month with your 'reverse invoice'. As accountancy goes it's extremely easy, but you do need to do the basic tax filing in your local jurisdiction.

That 5% includes all the processing fees, they also have a bunch of useful subscription infrastructure, and they handle customer support for billing issues, which tends to be a substantial percentage of issues as you get larger.

So far they've been great, and doing nearly zero accountancy is worth a lot of money to me as an indie dev with a digital product (where you need to know a lot about local digital taxes nowadays). That said, would I do the same at the beginning if this existed a few years ago? Hard to know, but this doesn't look so compelling that I'm likely to switch now.


> Meanwhile you act as a company with a single B2B client and one invoice a month

There were some changes in this area recently. Paddle is now providing you two reverse invoices each month, one for sales in the USA done by Paddle.com Inc. and one for sales in the rest of the world done by Paddle.com Market Ltd.

For the accounting purposes you have two B2B clients (belonging to the same group). You still receive a single wire transfer though.


How do you find working with Paddle? They've been on our shortlist for a new project and we've heard only positive things from people who actually use them. However, their terms could make any lawyer or company officer who actually read them visibly wince, and so far that has prevented us from engaging with them despite their clear advantages over the traditional payment services.


I've been using Paddle (and thus not worrying about VAT) for years now. They're mostly pretty good, although I use a very limited subset of their functionality, I basically just use them as a payment gateway. Their support is responsive and helpful, especially in the last year or so, and I haven't had any downtime to speak of. They don't accept all the payment methods that Stripe does, but enough for me.

There are a couple of pain points. Their invoicing is just a hot mess, if invoicing is a requirement for you I'd evaluate that very carefully. And they don't really have any sort of proper test system, which is pretty unbelievable. I do most of my testing in production using discount coupons, but 100% discount coupons can only be used with orders for a single item, so I can't test orders for 10 licences in any very useful way.

I dealt with their contract conditions by just ignoring them and crossing my fingers :-)

Still, all that said, there's nothing in this offering from Stripe that would tempt me to change. I'm also lucky in that I managed to negotiate a good rate from them when their model was switching to B2B (from Mac app sales, which the App Store killed). If you have any further questions, feel free to email me.

Edit: one other thing I like is that they use Currency Cloud to transfer funds to me, which give a much better exchange rate than a simple bank transfer and means that my local banks don't stiff me to receive a foreign transaction.


> they don't really have any sort of proper test system, which is pretty unbelievable

They fixed this a little while back. There's now a fully independent sandbox environment: https://developer.paddle.com/getting-started/sandbox


Wow, how did I not know that? Thank you!


Thanks, there's lots of useful info there.


Are there some specific terms in their legal bits that you're concerned about?

Personally, they've mostly been very good. The product works, it was very easy to set up and it does everything out of the box, and it's made sales tax & accountancy almost completely disappear.

I have occasionally run into issues or bugs, and their API is a bit of a mess, but nothing show stopping and their team has been reasonably responsive and sorted everything out very reliably. That's noticeably got better & faster recently, I think they're beefed out their support team a lot in the last year or so.

If you're selling a new product as a substantial business, I think they're good but there are other options to look at too and there are tradeoffs (5% is high, you could probably do your own customer accountancy etc in house).

If you're a solo dev/small indie, or just getting started though I think it's a no-brainer. It's just so much quicker & easier than doing everything yourself.


Are there some specific terms in their legal bits that you're concerned about?

Quite a few, but to give an example from high on the list, it appears that a SaaS company would warrant that software sold through Paddle is always bug-free, accept unlimited liability via the related indemnification requirements if it isn't, and yet have no right participate in or even know about any relevant process if something goes wrong. That's a toxic combination and hardly looks like a healthy basis for a mutually beneficial business relationship.

Other concerns related to the considerable flexibility Paddle appear to give themselves in terms of how they represent, price and provide access to whatever is being sold, again apparently without necessarily requiring the consent or possibly even the knowledge of the underlying provider. We're unclear about how much this might be necessary because of merchant of record legal model, but it has little to do with what we'd actually want to use Paddle for or why we'd choose them over other services for collecting payments.

For context, this is a new business but run by a team who have collectively founded multiple others before. Several of us are very much over wasting time and effort on the mechanics of taking money from our customers and complying with whatever rules accompany that. Obviously fees charged by a payment service do matter, but a moderate difference there is still insignificant to us if the service we use can offer enough flexibility for our needs and easy integration, and otherwise takes on as much of the mechanical implementation and regulatory burden as we can shift.


Paddle is fundamentally different to Stripe. As you said they a merchant of record. Your customers purchase via Paddle, manage the subscription etc via them. Disputes would be via them too. Something to bear in mind.


Sure, the model is different, but that still doesn't make signing up to an impossible promise with unbounded liability when you inevitably break it a good idea.

What happens if Paddle are faced with a customer who is getting snotty about a bug and threatening litigation in an expensive jurisdiction? Paddle apparently have the right under their terms to settle that dispute on whatever terms they wish and then pass the entire cost on to the developers. There doesn't appear to be anything requiring those terms to be reasonable nor anything close to what the developer themselves would have had to offer in their own home jurisdiction or if they'd been selling directly to the customer on reasonable terms. As far as we could see, Paddle don't even have to notify the developer that any of this is happening, they can just send the bill at the end.

If anyone from Paddle is reading this and would like to explain publicly why that isn't an existential threat to every SaaS business using their service and what their terms actually mean, that would be very interesting to read. Maybe something like the above scenario would never actually happen. As I mentioned before, I've heard nothing but positive comments about Paddle from various people I know who actually use it. But in that case, there's no need for such one-sided terms, and it's better for everyone if the legal documents say what you really mean instead.


I've been happy with them so far, although I only have a few customers. The backend dashboard feels a little MVP but everything works well. The checkout flow is also hosted so you just embed that into your app which is nice.


Thanks for the first-hand insights.


Interesting insights into the TOS of Paddle. Have you compared the TOS of Paddle to FastSpring?


Yes we have, though the terms for vendors that are linked from the main terms page on the FastSpring website don't seem to be the correct ones for vendors in the UK so our current assessment is only provisional.

The FastSpring terms don't appear to create the same risks for us that we identified in connection with Paddle's terms as I mentioned above.


Paddle and FastSpring (I found their support to be more helpful than Paddle's but they charge even higher fees), the two solutions commonly used in that space, act as Merchants of Record. Since you are not selling directly to your users you don't have to file the corresponding taxes, just the ones that correspond to the transactions between Paddle/FastSpring and you. But I'm not an accountant and they may change their operations in the future so don't rely on this comment alone.




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