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Yes, if you call a black box outside of your code base which does something then subsequent operations can't easily be dry-run'd.

So if you need to install a package which sets up a systemd service, the subsequent dry-run of managing that systemd service would fail because the service doesn't exist yet. Or you need to make assumptions in the service dry run that it should have been set up before.

You can just assume that the service would have been setup and report that you were, say, enabling and starting the service. Or you could require some kind of hint to be setup from the package installation to the specific service configuration (for well known things this could be done by default, but for arbitrary user-supplied packages this cannot be done). Or you could list the entire package contents and try to determine if the manifest looks like it is configuring a service.

And it still may fail because you don't know the contents of that file without extracting it and the service may not parse at all.

And that's just a simple package-service interaction example. You could spend a week noodling on how to do that fairly precisely, then there's a hundred or a thousand other interactions to get correct.

You're being told not to do the thing, so there's fundamentally a black-box there, and you need to figure out how much you're going to cheat, how much you're going to try to crack open the black box into some kind of sandbox so you can figure out its internals, and how much you're going to offload onto the user. Not actually an easy problem at all.




Yeah, the ability to indicate a shell command is pure (or that it must be pure) is something that's really missing in POSIX-like APIs. It's something I've certainly missed. Something like fork that disables write outside a handful of file descriptors (like one the parent starts with popen) would be pretty awesome. Maybe BSD jails do that.


In general an composable dry run API with the ability to make promises would be good. Then its on the lower level black box to have been tested correctly and make accurate promises.

In practice though what you'll find is that its easier to treat whole systems as black boxes, and test changes in throwaway virt systems, then test them in development environments, then roll them out to prod (or that whole immutable infrastructure thing and throw it all away and replace so you don't get bitten by dev-prod discrepancies in theory).




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