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An engineer building effective adtech is similarly behaving ethically according to their own career path.

Lawyers effectively defending awful clients, for example, managing to get them off the hook on a technicality, are likewise generating massive negative externalities for society at large.

It's either both or neither, and I'm not comfortable going down that path.




> An engineer building effective adtech is similarly behaving ethically according to their own career path

The phrase "Effective adtech" is really downplaying the amount of unethical shit involved in building it.

It could be effective without turning the internet into a race to the bottom. It could be effective without third party tracking, it could be effective without vacuuming every bit of data possible from every source imaginable. It could be effective without turning every device we own into an ad platform.

> It's either both or neither, and I'm not comfortable going down that path.

No, its not both or neither. That's absurdly reductive to suggest. It is possible for lawyers to behave unethically in their duties, but just defending the guilty (or prosecuting the innocent) is not unethical on it's own.

Similarly, it's possible for engineers to behave unethically in their duties. Just building software isn't unethical.

Building platforms that are deliberately and systematically eroding our privacy in every corner of our lives in order to make money absolutely is unethical. Turning society into a corporate-controlled panopticon is absolutely unethical. Absolutely scumbags


The core of my argument is that an engineer building the product is performing their duty. You don't have to sell me on the fact that ads are bad. I hate all ads.

I'm a developer myself and I've never faced the dilemma, but I don't feel like blaming others for not wanting to become judges of good and evil. Like in the case of a lawyer, doing your job and doing it well is in and of itself ethical.

I really can't draw a line in the sand where adtech is unacceptable but $something_else is, just because I have such an hatred for advertisement.


> The core of my argument is that an engineer building the product is performing their duty

This is the kind of rhetoric that is used to justify doing war crimes. It is absolutely not a defense of unethical behavior.


> Lawyers effectively defending awful clients, for example, managing to get them off the hook on a technicality, are likewise generating massive negative externalities for society at large.

This is a harmful misunderstanding of how the legal system works. Subjecting laws and procedures to scrutiny, and exposing "loopholes" is exactly the role of a vigorous defence. The fact that the consequences for the state (and society) of miswriting or misapplying the law can be so severe is exactly what keeps the system honest.


I completely agree with that. My argument rests on the fact that I agree that lawyers should do that, consequences be damned.

Sorry for the low signal answer, but you're the second to raise this objection and I wanted to clarify I don't actually think that.




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