Yes - they're circumventing the intent of the permissions restrictions implementation to the clear detriment of the user.

Highly debatable. In fact, trying to classify it as a dark pattern may derail the very valid discussion that the FTC is trying to have. There are significantly worse patterns out there. See [1].

What the push notification pattern is, is annoying. And it is specially annoying because of a prevalence of confirmation dialogs all over the Web with GDPR/CCPA, paid subscriptions, etc. But does it cause harm or monetary loss as the sneak into basket pattern? Or the opt-out unnecessary "insurance" that airlines continue to put in the checkout flow?

We do a disservice to ourselves littering the web with these constant asks. But it's not what needs regulation and enforcement.

[1] https://www.darkpatterns.org/types-of-dark-pattern

The pattern tries to avoid an outcome desired by the user: permanently revoking consent for some permission. Only asking when you are confident the answer is Yes goes against the intent of the platform functionality, and I’d argue that’s a major dark pattern.

Similar to how apps used to ask “how do you like app?” And then only prompt to review the app if you responded favorably. Goes entirely against the app store’s intent to uniformly sample users, and I’m glad Apple at least has cracked down on this practice.

Just honestly make a product and stop trying to fool the user!

Some apps use it reasonably: they'll remember if you said no, but do want to provide more messaging around why they're asking.

Like eBay asking over and over for me to trust the site for payment transactions. No, no. I have a separate paypal account with 2fa enabled rather than giving you my credit card for a reason. Asking 1,000 times will never change my answer, but eBay remains ever hopeful.

> it is specially annoying...But does it cause harm or monetary loss

Why do you talk as if money is more important than time?

While we disagree I up-voted your comment because as you say, many aspects of this discussion are debatable.

The browser is designed so that a website gets one chance to ask for that permission, rather than nag every single time you visit.

If it's not a dark pattern to ask again every time you hit Deny, then why don't they do it again every time you hit Allow?

It’s a trick to try to take a yes / no choice and sneakily turn it into a “yes / ask me again later” choice. Silicon Valley in general seems to have a huge problem with the idea of user consent and permanently revoking consent.

Perhaps I phrased my response poorly, but yes, that's basically what I meant.