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[flagged] How to beat the woke: Never apologize, rally friends and punch back harder (nypost.com)
32 points by andyxor on March 26, 2021 | hide | past | favorite | 15 comments



If you're confident that you've no reason to apologize, I'm not sure you really need to do the other stuff. The power of Twitter seems massively exaggerated, especially if you're already a successful individual.

The general public, by and large, don't care much about mild PC infringements. In fact they're often hostile to the idea [1]. At least according to all the studies I've seen. So picking a side in the imaginary 'culture war' either way is just about choosing to appeal to the ~10% on the extremes. In other words: why bother?

[1] https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majo...


woke.. i saw that somewhere..

https://www.thefocus.news/tv/woke-police-meaning/

i guess don't do what this guy did. Maybe he woke'd too hard or not hard enough, I don't know anymore.


The article correctly diagnoses what he did wrong: he capitulated to the mob. He should never have apologized.


So, be a bully


You either failed to read the article, or worse, read it and wilfully misrepresented it.

Username fits.


Self-defense is very different than bullying.


Out bully the bullies.


This a nypost article. The same nypost that recently doxxed a nurse for commiting the crime of having an onlyfans

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/onlyfans-e...

Y'all really out here agreeing with them on matters of censorship and censure?

What does it say about you when you agree with a voice, that harasses and antagonizes, on how to defend oneself against critics?


> What does it say about you when you agree with a voice, that harasses and antagonizes, on how to defend oneself against critics?

Not much? 'Attack the argument, not the person' is day one of debate class. So the only important question for me really is whether this particular article is any good.


Debate class is very good about teaching you how to debate in debate class. It has precious little to do with any other kind of argument.

Not that there's anything wrong with debate class. It's very good about teaching you to do research, organize, marshall arguments, speak clearly, and lots of other things. But it's notable that debate class isn't about arriving at truth -- you're expected to be able to argue either side of the debate with equal facility, and you're judged on your ability to present rather than the merit of the position you're defending.


>Attack the argument, not the person' is day one of debate class

Day two of debate class is that no real debate happens in a vacuum


Day three is no true Scotsman

Day four is a social mixer


Yeah.. I really don't get it. Also, why is being "woke" a bad thing? Would love a thorough explanation.


You didn't get an answer so I'll provide one.

The ostensible reason is that it's social conformity, that does not tolerate dissent, and uses invalid means of enforcing that conformity. They see it as a form of identity politics and grievance nurturing.

The real reason is that it's precisely because it breaks social conformity. "Woke" is used to describe anything that objects to marginalization, by people who aren't in those marginalized groups, and fear becoming one.

Being against "wokeism" is precisely identity politics and grievance nurturing, primarily by those who identify politically with white men and nurturing their grievances. Pretty much any time you read it, you can assume that what they're complaining about is something they're doing. If they complain about being shut down, it's because they're trying to shut down somebody else. If they complain about somebody being easily insulted, it's because they're being easily insulted.

There are plenty of difficulties associated with the pursuit of justice and equality. People have legitimate disagreements about it. And they'll seek to exploit those by presenting themselves as the most aggrieved group, magnified by their sheer numbers -- that being the entire point.


I think this is why Trump has a very strong appeal to many. Unlike the establishment Republicans, who cowered when hit with insults (e.g. any suggestion of enforcing immigration laws means you’re racist), Trump didn’t back down or try to apologize and would throw back just as silly accusations and insults.

Not a positive development for rational political discourse in the US, but at least an understandable response.




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