>Try setting up a new Apple device, there is very little in IT that is as frustrating and confusing.

It's a 5 minute process, and there's very little to it that it's not optimized for ease. Any champ can do it, and millions do.

Not sure what you're on about.

>I think that's marketing, and not borne out of real experience.

Yes, all those people are delluded.

Clearly you've never tried it, because it's certainly not 5 minutes, it's optimized for selling you bullshit Apple services and it's buggy as hell, with no feedback to the user why everything is broken and why you're having to re-authenticate five times in a row.

And good luck if you're setting up a family account for several devices with different iOS versions. You're gonna really need it.

>Clearly you've never tried it, because it's certainly not 5 minutes, it's optimized for selling you bullshit Apple services and it's buggy as hell

I've tried it tons of times, have over 20 iOS/macOS devices over the years, and for some pervese reason, on macOS/OS X I like to install every major update on a clean disk too (and then re-import my data. It's an old Windows 95/XP-era reflex), so I do it at least once every year for my main driver (plus different new iOS devices).

What part of this sounds difficult?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70u0x8Kf6j4

And the whole "optimized for selling you bullshit Apple services" is a couple of screens you can skip with one click -- and you might want to legitimately use too.

Honestly, literally millions of people do this every year, and for most of them, it's like 10 minutes, plus the time waiting for the iCloud restore. Even my dad was able to set up his new iPad, and he's as techophobic as it gets.

Technophobic people are exactly the target audience that has a huge tolerance for broken software built on piles of abusive bullshit.

My father has very little patience for broken things, software or otherwise, so I'm really not sure what you're talking about.

It is definitly easier than configuring any GNU/Linux distribution.

Watching the video that coldtea posted, no, it is not. Ubuntu and most of its derivatives have very easy installers, and take a fraction of the time. The video didn't even include the time it would take to read and understand all the terms and conditions!

Assuming one wants a partial working computer after installation.

I don't know what you mean by this- care to elaborate? I have several fully working computers running Ubuntu derivatives without having to do anything after the install.

I bet none of them is a laptop.

I currently have two laptops, one a Lenovo from work with Kubuntu and the other cheap Asus with KDE Neon. Both required no additional work to be fully working after install.