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> [FB revenue model] depend[s] on software to clandestinely steal and sell users data

Isn't it opt-in by using their platform? Or is your argument that targeted ads are not common knowledge to Facebook users? I likely wouldn't use Facebook or Google etc. if I had to pay cash; fine with paying with personal data; but for people who aren't fine with that, they shouldn't use it.

I realize that any attempt to discuss this is inviting downvotes, but I just ask for a quick comment if you do choose to downvote. I try to be very open minded.




The real problem here, and what Apple is getting at, is lack of consent. The willingness or not to "pay" with personal data is meaningless if there's no awareness. Sure, tech-savvy people are aware and can make informed decisions... but my grandma is not aware that Facebook is tracking her. And most non-techy people are like that: I closed all my Facebook accounts last year and people were surprised. I had to explain it to them! I can't wait to see their reaction when I tell them I closed my Google account as well.

The iPhone update doesn't even immediately forbid tracking, it just requests apps to ask for permission. That simple change pushed Facebook to buy newspaper, radio and TV ads to try to get people to reject the update. Think about it: they feel threatened by user awareness.


In that case, Apple's pending change would have no effect on you.

The dialog pops up and you give your consent for the FB app to track whatever it wants, because you're fine with that.

Other users similarly are allowed to make their own choice as to whether they accept that trade off.


> Isn't it opt-in by using their platform?

I don't think this is an entirely fair argument unless it is exceedingly clear what you are opting in to. The fact that FB (and others) are so resistant to being more transparent about this is in itself informative.


Opt in can be reasonably be interpreted to mean opt in not bundled with other services in the gdpr day and age.

Separately, opt in implies informed consent. Most users have no clue what data Facebook is capturing. It's not informed.




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