Comments are unsubstantive when they don't add any new information—particularly comments that repeat things that have been repeated many times before. Within that set, the worst subset is comments that don't add new information and are stimuli to pre-existing conflicts. Those are not only unsubstantive but flamebait. Examples of those:
The issue here is not which side you're on, it's whether the comment makes the thread more interesting or less interesting. "Interesting" in HN's sense is a specialized use of the word. It doesn't just mean liking to put attention on something—it also has to do with why or, if you like, what part of one's brain circuitry is being activated. What we want to activate is curiosity (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...), and for that it's necessary to avoid the stronger forms of indignation, which go in curiosity-killing directions.
The best way to consider whether a comment makes the thread more interesting or less interesting is to think not about the comment itself, but the expected value of the probable subthreads it will lead to. Note that this is not the same as the actual replies it ends up getting; you can't know that until later, but you can always ask yourself what the likely outcome of posting in a certain way will be. If there's new information there, the expected value gets higher; if there's provocation, the expected value gets much lower (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...).
We don't have these rules for ethical reasons—we're not trying to tell users what sort of people they should be. We have them for system design reasons—to try to solve the problem of how to operate an internet forum that doesn't suck (or at least sucks less), and doesn't destroy itself over time. That's in everyone's interest who participates here, regardless of what sort of people we all are, what our politics and ideologies and backgrounds all are, and so on.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26156431
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25952507
Comments are unsubstantive when they don't add any new information—particularly comments that repeat things that have been repeated many times before. Within that set, the worst subset is comments that don't add new information and are stimuli to pre-existing conflicts. Those are not only unsubstantive but flamebait. Examples of those:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26137478
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25836608
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25886623
The issue here is not which side you're on, it's whether the comment makes the thread more interesting or less interesting. "Interesting" in HN's sense is a specialized use of the word. It doesn't just mean liking to put attention on something—it also has to do with why or, if you like, what part of one's brain circuitry is being activated. What we want to activate is curiosity (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...), and for that it's necessary to avoid the stronger forms of indignation, which go in curiosity-killing directions.
The best way to consider whether a comment makes the thread more interesting or less interesting is to think not about the comment itself, but the expected value of the probable subthreads it will lead to. Note that this is not the same as the actual replies it ends up getting; you can't know that until later, but you can always ask yourself what the likely outcome of posting in a certain way will be. If there's new information there, the expected value gets higher; if there's provocation, the expected value gets much lower (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...).
We don't have these rules for ethical reasons—we're not trying to tell users what sort of people they should be. We have them for system design reasons—to try to solve the problem of how to operate an internet forum that doesn't suck (or at least sucks less), and doesn't destroy itself over time. That's in everyone's interest who participates here, regardless of what sort of people we all are, what our politics and ideologies and backgrounds all are, and so on.