"An engineer is an individual who has been issued a licence to practise engineering by a provincial or territorial engineering regulatory body after demonstrating that they have the requisite education, skills, knowledge and experience. An engineer is sometimes referred to as a licensed engineer, a registered engineer or a professional engineer."
Professional engineer and engineer are both functionally equivalent and protected. You can't legally have the term engineer in your title in Canada unless you are an accredited engineer and pay your dues.
Also, digging deeper in for example the Ontario section of your source about licencing:
> Licence “Professional Engineer”, “Engineer” or “ingénieur” “P.Eng.”
This is exactly what I was referring to. They consider all of these monikers to to be in a "Professional Engineer" context. To interpret: not all engineers are professional engineers, but all professional engineers are engineers, and they will fight tooth and nail for the P.Eng protection. Hence my question about "Professional Engineer" status.
Not quite. All engineers are professional engineers. The term engineer is protected and you are not an engineer unless you also are a professional engineer. No P.Eng. then you're not allowed to advertise yourself as an engineer.
The vast majority of people without P.Eng do not advertise themselves as engineers as deception, as it's their employers which have given this title. If that is still against the law, I suppose I am witness to many thousands of companies breaking the law by employing many more thousands of people that they have labelled as engineer, yet without P.Eng.
LinkedIn would be a simple search on this. Can you say why there are no fines or action being taken? I work with hundreds who have been given the engineer title, yet many more of us do not have P.Eng designation than those that do. How on Earth have the thousands upon thousands of us not been contacted even once in our decade(s) of employment, over multiple companies? We are openly breaking the law, after all, correct?
I believe the employees personally would be exempt, correct? As they are have been given these titles by their employing body and not self proclaiming a different title given upon them.
This source would need to serve as a proxy to the real source (if it exists) in law that claims these rules are in fact, actual law. That is what is being asked. This is not law, it rather a organization on a plight to attempt to make it law. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I have never heard of a software engineer *requiring* a licence to do their work. How many titles out there have sales engineer? Have you ever heard of a Sales Engineering program to graduate from? I'm not one to flaunt laws, but it's hard to imagine a large portion of companies, some very reputable, are illegally employing boatloads of engineers in Canada. On a lighter note, it's also hard not to imagine that this organization is the personified Karen of engineering gatekeeping. Is there anything, anywhere that actually sources Canadian Law?
I have never in any software engineering position I've ever applied for seen any form of "Applicant must show an engineering licence to be considered". Why is that not ever seen? Shouldn't all these companies be abiding by the law?
I'm simply leaving all doors open to prove it wrong with an open mind, but the evidence has to be clear. Is it part of law or is it not? And if so, from an official source, where?
"An engineer is an individual who has been issued a licence to practise engineering by a provincial or territorial engineering regulatory body after demonstrating that they have the requisite education, skills, knowledge and experience. An engineer is sometimes referred to as a licensed engineer, a registered engineer or a professional engineer."
Professional engineer and engineer are both functionally equivalent and protected. You can't legally have the term engineer in your title in Canada unless you are an accredited engineer and pay your dues.