But I think I had a very interesting discussion with yourself, you laid out some arguments, I did the same, at the end we disagreed but that's fine, I'm not on some sort of crusade here, it's just a discussion. But then spacedcowboy comes in to basically say "I don't care about any of this or any of your arguments". Ok then, of course they are free to do so, but then why bother commenting? I only continued replying because I hoped we can have explore the topic a bit more but no, spacedcowboy just straight up says he doesn't care about any of it, so I guess that's really, as they put it, "end of story".

I don't care about your arguments because I don't want their expected effects on my life.

I very do much care about the results of your proposals becoming popular, and I don't want what you're proposing to come about. I want it to be known that there are people who oppose your point of view, in case it becomes de-facto the "popular opinion".

Well, then this approach stands against everything I thought HN represented. I have discussed things I very much don't want to happen before here and the "I don't even want to see your side, I just don't want this thing to happen" has never seemed to me like a good tactic - it just doesn't get anyone anywhere. I've been convinced many times to change my mind on HN(and I hope I have changed some minds too) but that's just not possible if the other side isn't engaging in the debate. And if not for the debate, what are we even here for?

shrug not everyone thinks the same way - about topics or meta-topics.

I'm not trying to be nasty or anything - I just vehemently don't want what you're trying to say is a good thing. It's akin to me not wanting my right leg chopped off, and someone trying to persuade me to listen to the arguments on both sides. No thanks; I want both my legs - or in this instance... I want my unsullied app-store.