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BMI: one person listening to his own music via the cloud is public performance (techdirt.com)
97 points by grellas on May 11, 2011 | hide | past | favorite | 43 comments



A few observations:

1. There are well-settled copyright principles that hold a viewing event to be a "public performance" even though a single person only is doing the viewing at any given time. A leading case involved a video-store owner who owned one copy of each film he had in stock and who set up private viewing rooms in his establishment in which he allowed a patron to view a film privately that the patron had rented from the store. This enabled the store owner to buy a copyrighted video once and to set up a business in which he repeatedly displayed that video to multiple members of the public, one at a time. In that case, the court held that the showing of the one copy of the film owned by the video store owner repeatedly to different members of the public constituted a "public performance" (the case, Columbia Pictures v. Redd Horne, may be found here: http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=1713962666875062...). This case is offline law but the principle it articulates is clear. If copyright holders are in business to sell or license their copyrighted works, and if someone buys one copy of such work and sets up a business open to the public to make money from repeated showings of such work (albeit one at a time), the copyright owners are having the value of their works taken from them by the intermediary business owner, who gets to profit from such works without having obtained any right or license from the copyright owners to license such works to others. A leading copyright treatise (Nimmer) sums this up, then, by saying "if the same copy . . . of a given work is repeatedly played (i.e., 'performed') by different members of the public, albeit at different times, this constitutes a 'public' performance." (discussed here: http://laboratorium.net/archive/2011/03/16/that_zediva_thing...). In this offline context, then, it is indisputable that you can have a "public" performance for copyright-law purposes from what is technically a private viewing.

2. Logically, the one-copy rule should not apply to the case where I own my copy and merely choose to display it for my private viewing (or private listening in the case of music) through various methods of playback, including by use of a cloud service. And this is what both Google and Amazon are banking on in the way they have set up their cloud music services. Their theory is that the service they offer does nothing more than allow you to upload a song you already own and access it from different browsers and devices. To avoid the one-copy rule, neither Google nor Amazon "de-duplicate" user files, which means that users will literally access the exact files that they themselves uploaded into the service (meaning, therefore, that millions of copies of the same file may exist in the same cloud).

3. The big test case that is pending in the courts is EMI v. MP3Tunes, and this case will test whether the old offline rules should apply literally to the digital world. That is, MP3Tunes is a music locker that does de-duplicate its files, i.e., stores one copy only of each song (rather than one copy for each file any user has uploaded) and uses that copy to enable users of the service to replay songs they have uploaded into the service (though not literally from the exact file that the user uploaded). It is this case - where the intermediary business owner is using "one copy" only to enable multiple members of the public to listen to the same song, albeit only for their own private listening - that the EMI lawyer is commenting upon when he says that one person listening to his own music via the cloud constitutes a "public performance." Though tone-deaf on how this must sound to the average person, the lawyer is basically reciting what the offline caselaw held in connection with the one-copy rule. This may indeed be irrational as applied to the digital world (since, in fact, the service is requiring each individual who listens to upload his individually-owned version of that song, which distinguishes this case from the video store owner who bought only one copy in total), but this is why he is calling it what he does.

4. EFF has a good discussion of some of the key issues here: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archive (see under the heading "Do music locker services violate current copyright laws?").

The fact that important web-based services are having to use such inefficient means as storing millions of versions of the same file just to deal with current copyright laws shows that is is high-time such laws were revamped for the digital age. The last major revision was in the 1970s. The laws in this area made sense in their day (at least for those who don't oppose IP rights of this type) but are today strained to the breaking point.


This argument about de-duplication reminds me of the excellent essay: "What Colour are your bits?"

http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/lawpoli/colour/2004061001.php


Yes, thanks for reminding this essay. I think though that de-duplication is a lawyer oriented smoke-screen. It is based on a complete misunderstanding of Colour because Colour tracking happens at the wrong abstraction level. Colour does not exist in the computer but it is a property of the whole process. Therfore tracking content ownership doesn't happen at the bit-level of storing a copy or a pointer, but it is rather the consistency of the owner/content association.


Actually, BMI probably really does want others to be really inefficient at music distribution. They're basically meddling musical middlemen, so a more efficient means of distributing music threatens to cut them out of the picture entirely.

It is sad, however, to see just how crazy copyright has become, given that it's so inordinately focused on things that should be irrelevant, like whether or not one deduplicates data.


#3 reminds me of mp3.com's 'my.mp3.com' service.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mp3.com#My.MP3.com

Judge Jed S. Rakoff, in the case UMG v. MP3.com, ruled in favor of the record labels against MP3.com and the service on the copyright law provision of "making mechanical copies for commercial use without permission from the copyright owner."


Replying to my own comment, a good lawyer should be able to sidestep this when using SSD media, in lieu of mechanical hard drives.


When you buy a software program the eula always say "you don't buy the program, you buy a license... blablabla" - so wouldn't the difference be that the store owner only brougth one license whereas the cloud music owners brought one for each user?


Trying to apply logic to an illogical system is always going to be tricky.


The argument that de-duplication is legal I think is that the fact that the user uploaded the music proves he legally has the right to it, and if the user don't, the liability rests on the user.


A novel way to solve this problem is to stop signing new talent to the big labels.

Some of the music I listen to is signed to smaller labels who have much more liberal views when it comes to distribution and piracy. They host their own online stores that sell DRM-free albums usually at 50% of the cost of what you pay to big labels on iTunes, in stores, etc.

The vast majority of musicians and producers (i.e. not the Lady Gaga's or The Beatles or Michael Jackson) make their money by touring and performing. Selling their music on CD and in digital formats is considered a marketing method and token income at best.

My hope is that Big Music become more and more irrelevant (and less influential) as artists realise that they can do better without them.


BMI is not a record company. It is a performance rights organization. Lots of independent label artists have their work registered through BMI (myself included & I get checks quarterly from BMI). This seems crazy/greedy to me, though. How about if I put my work on a website (which I do -- free for listening or downloading)? I would hope that's not considered public performance.


It is a public performance, which is within your rights to control as the copyright owner....unless you assigned copyright to BMI.


The only reason bands still go with them is due to maketing power I think. The web should be able to fix that for them. Myspace reinvented itself as a platform for musicians to market themselves but they are dying right now so there some space for someone to take over.


http://soundcloud.com/ is the most innovative platform in this area. The platform a great way for artists to share music with the world.


There are also lots of great indie artists thriving on http://bandcamp.com.


I figured this would happen. I was going to write a service exactly like Cloud Drive and Google Music, but I knew that as soon as I had more than 10 users I would be inundated with angry RIAA lawyers. I guess I was right.

(I would still like to simply see BMI's catalog blocked. If the services are popular but BMI won't allow Amazon and Google to host their music, then that's BMI's loss rather than Amazon's or Google's.)

Also, the record companies wonder why nobody buys music: this is why.


If you find yourself having trouble reconciling this with the real world(1), remember that lawyer world is a little different. You might be looking at a version of the "Chewbacca defense" writ large. A solid legal case can be completely illogical in the real world but entirely internally consistent (and effective) in the legal one.

Think of it from their perspective. BMI is essentially an organization of lawyers. This is what they do. If it is possible to twiddle the levers on the legal-political complex and stymie your competitors, why ever wouldn't you? This isn't some dastardly new plot to kill teh intertubes, its the same thing they've been doing since 1940, it just looks really bizarre when done in the 21st century. Kind of like showing up in your 1942 swimming costume for this year's spring break at Daytona Beach.

1) But its my music, on my storage, played on my device! How can that be...


so what he's saying is that even if I paid for the music I store in my amazon cloud drive, just because amazon probably doesn't store a separate copy of each song of my collection amazon should be paying him performance royalty? This dude a moron. Good thing he's going after Amazon and Google, that way his stupidity will cost him a lot in wasted lawsuits.


This kind of stance is further proof of their impending irrelevancy.

You know what would be cool? If publishing organizations strove to outdo the hardcore curators out there, to invent a more detailed form of musical notation beyond MIDI, open source the whole shit, and become the de facto standards barer of musical transcription. I'd like to see detailed engineering notes as well, and all the samples and full tracks, with all effects broken out, and timed to the nanosecond, in a zip FLAC file.

If they can achieve technical excellence like that, and give it away for free, I'd sign whatever paper they put in front in me.


Nine Inch Nails did that with Ghosts, they provided editable multitrack recordings, and essentially gave it away for free, inviting anyone to edit and remix.


I'm sure he got the idea from the same place, Oink and other such OCD pirates.


Maybe I'll help out BMI. The hard of hearing use hearing aids! They're illegally rebroadcasting a public performance! SUE! SUE! SUE!


I believe in paying for music and artists being compensated for their art etc, but the music industry's constant myopic greed is pushing me away from wanting to pay for music at all.

Way to go music industry.


This is like listening to grandpa out on his lawn screaming how he is going to kick all our asses. The war is over, you guys lost, move on.


Except grandpa is crazy, has a shotgun, and is friends with the Sheriff (the RIAA, MPAA, their lobbyists and congresspeople they bought).


Except the lawn is really his.


The music industry have a piracy problem, yet they discourage services created to remove the piracy problem. The labels that get stuck in this eternal fight are going to lose out big time to those that realise that attacking the problem head on is a waste of time and build up a business around the new market conditions.


The main source of frustration with this is the fact that they see music as a physical product, while using "intellectual property" laws to prevent any other form.

If it were up to "them" the only way to listen to music is either commercial radio: which pays for licenses, or purchasing physical media and with it the "license" to play it in the privacy of your own home. Anything else is difficult, and DRM and other measures try to institute the same laws governing physical products on digital media (you can't copy your car ;-) ).

This is the argument they get attacked on time and time again, with people saying they don't innovate their business model and try to prevent anyone from innovating as well.

Wait... is it really 2011?


If I have a digital music player and digital speakers (amp inside the speaker) in my home, playing my owned music, is that a public performance? Of course not.

Well if the digital music player is now 1000 miles away from my speakers, how is that any different?


aaaand, the music industry takes yet another step down the long stairwell to obsolescence. Really guys, we want your product, we'll even pay for it, but you gotta update the delivery mechanism to get with the times.

That's all you have to do.


A commenter jokes "It's only a matter of time before we have to pay licenses to listen to the music we've already bought. What?! You think the music you stream over speaker wires and earbuds is free?!"

One word: HDMI.


The source of this, http://www.bmi.com/news/entry/551409, is the longest piece of bullshit I have ever read. Oh brother.


one couldn't play more by the rules of the industry than Zediva. Zediva only eliminated some technical inefficiencies. By attacking Zediva the industry clearly shows itself as just a Luddite fighting to defend the inefficiencies that are source of the industry's income. In 10-20 years it would be just another paragraph here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite


Big record companies seem to be adept at finding novel ways of making themselves anachronisms.


So wait, my friend has a copy of your movie. I offer to pay YOU so I can watch his copy of the movie. And that's not okay because...?


Because you might pay more to get or rent your own copy of the movie?

That's the primary logic behind BMI's stance.


Not really, I already brought the movie.

Or rather I didn't because it wasn't yet available outside the US.


So if my home stereo is "streaming" music to the speakers in the next room that's considered a public performance too?


Article wanted: "RIAA, big labels and performing rights organizations: decimating music since 1999."


They've been at it a lot longer than that. Payola, Hollywood accounting, abusive recording contracts, ... all of these things predate 1999 by far.


if a seemingly random stream of bits travels across the internet, from a seemingly random collection of bits on a cluster of virtual machines... does it make a sound?


Gary, Indiana, Gary, Indiana, Gary, Indiana.


A private file hosted in rented space that I'm accessing is not public performance and I don't understand how we can stretch the definition of words to get to that conclusion.

Dear Music industry, grow up. Or sue, lose in court and miss out on all the revenue you could be enjoying. It really is your choice.




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