Do you think that systemic racism exists? That is do you believe Black people when they tell you their life is harder because they are Black. Do you believe that job interviewers discriminate against Black sounding names? Do you believe that Black people receive harsher prison sentences all else being equal? Do you believe that Black people have a harder time renting homes? Because there's hard evidence to back up every single one of those claims.
All of those issues and more combine to create a reinforcing feedback loop that creates a permanent lower class within our society, that erodes trust in institutions, increases crime and, directly impacts our economic development.
What specifically do you propose we do to end that feedback loop?
2. This isn't about blame. It's about ameliorating an issue that harms all of us. And it's only indirectly about our ancestors. There are people alive today who were directly harmed by the laws that were put in place by the municipalities, states, and the country they live in today. People who were never compensated for that harm.
3. Pretending that you "don't see color" is an absurd response. Of course you do. Everyone does and everyone has implicit biases. The key is to recognize those biases, and sometimes to consciously correct for them.
4. > The system is nothing but laws.
That is naïve to the point of absurdity. I'm sure if you think about it you can come up with a few counter examples.
5. If anecdotes are useless, why do you keep brining them up?
> The travel ban is not what you claim it was, but perhaps you should look at how members of that religion handle racism first.
The travel ban that Trump called for during the campaign that won him votes was much more expansive than what was actually enacted. He also suggested that we should register all Muslims.
A survey in 2016 said that 40% of Americans called for a registry of Muslims, the results were heavily correlated with party affiliation. I'm going to give you 1 guess on which party favored registering Muslims.
>but perhaps you should look at how members of that religion handle racism first. You won't find any multiculturalism there, that's for sure.
What happened to treating people as individuals not as part of a group?
6. >It's unique to only the US and Canada, not the norm, and repealing it would solve many problems.
I thought the US was an amazing unique melting pot? There are many conservative and liberal argument for how the melting pot is helped by birthright citizenship.
7. You really need to read a bit more history if you think this is true. Look up the 1965 immigration act.
> America is a melting pot and has been for centuries.
The Chinese exclusion act, and country based immigration quotas favoring European countries were the norm through most of that time.
>there are no serious attempts to stop it.
Here's a conversation between Steven Bannon and Stephen Miller (Trump's current lead advisor on immigration)
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“Isn’t the beating heart of this problem, the real beating heart of it, of what we gotta get sorted here, not illegal immigration?” Bannon asked Miller. “As horrific as that is, and it’s horrific, don’t we have a problem? We’ve looked the other way on this legal immigration that’s kinda overwhelmed the country?”
Bannon goes on to decry the “oligarchs” of Silicon Valley and Washington and call the number of immigrants in the United States “scary.”
Miller’s response is affirmation: “The history of America is that an immigration-on period is followed by an immigration-off period,” he said.
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Bannon and Miller are both obsessed with preserving "western"(European) culture. If you aren't from a European country, you very likely would not have been allowed here had Steven Miller been in power when you immigrated.
All of those issues and more combine to create a reinforcing feedback loop that creates a permanent lower class within our society, that erodes trust in institutions, increases crime and, directly impacts our economic development.
What specifically do you propose we do to end that feedback loop?
2. This isn't about blame. It's about ameliorating an issue that harms all of us. And it's only indirectly about our ancestors. There are people alive today who were directly harmed by the laws that were put in place by the municipalities, states, and the country they live in today. People who were never compensated for that harm.
3. Pretending that you "don't see color" is an absurd response. Of course you do. Everyone does and everyone has implicit biases. The key is to recognize those biases, and sometimes to consciously correct for them.
4. > The system is nothing but laws.
That is naïve to the point of absurdity. I'm sure if you think about it you can come up with a few counter examples.
5. If anecdotes are useless, why do you keep brining them up?
> The travel ban is not what you claim it was, but perhaps you should look at how members of that religion handle racism first.
The travel ban that Trump called for during the campaign that won him votes was much more expansive than what was actually enacted. He also suggested that we should register all Muslims.
A survey in 2016 said that 40% of Americans called for a registry of Muslims, the results were heavily correlated with party affiliation. I'm going to give you 1 guess on which party favored registering Muslims.
>but perhaps you should look at how members of that religion handle racism first. You won't find any multiculturalism there, that's for sure.
What happened to treating people as individuals not as part of a group?
6. >It's unique to only the US and Canada, not the norm, and repealing it would solve many problems.
I thought the US was an amazing unique melting pot? There are many conservative and liberal argument for how the melting pot is helped by birthright citizenship.
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/birthright-citi...
7. You really need to read a bit more history if you think this is true. Look up the 1965 immigration act.
> America is a melting pot and has been for centuries.
The Chinese exclusion act, and country based immigration quotas favoring European countries were the norm through most of that time.
>there are no serious attempts to stop it.
Here's a conversation between Steven Bannon and Stephen Miller (Trump's current lead advisor on immigration) --------------------------------- “Isn’t the beating heart of this problem, the real beating heart of it, of what we gotta get sorted here, not illegal immigration?” Bannon asked Miller. “As horrific as that is, and it’s horrific, don’t we have a problem? We’ve looked the other way on this legal immigration that’s kinda overwhelmed the country?”
Bannon goes on to decry the “oligarchs” of Silicon Valley and Washington and call the number of immigrants in the United States “scary.”
Miller’s response is affirmation: “The history of America is that an immigration-on period is followed by an immigration-off period,” he said. -----------------------------------
Bannon and Miller are both obsessed with preserving "western"(European) culture. If you aren't from a European country, you very likely would not have been allowed here had Steven Miller been in power when you immigrated.