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this is all going to end in X12.


Wayland is X12.


you would preach but you would not contribute


I don't see anything wrong with that.


you mean i would predict but not contribute?

yes.


no, like in "preach the end of the world", contribution and prediction requires intimate knowledge, preaching does not


My grandfather was a preacher and a millennialist, which means he thought the world would end soon. He based this out of his intimate knowledge of the Bible, spanning over 60 years of study. He was also a missionary who starting churches and had a radio show.

Surely that fulfills both contribution and prediction.

I therefore disagree with your characterization.

Now, he appears to have been wrong, but just like preachers may be wrong, critics may also be right even without contribution.


I am sorry for your grandfather.

He knew Bible and he was right by his interpretation of Bible. In programming world word is reality, there is only one meaning. Those who know word forge reality. This requires knowledge.

Critics who do not posses knowledge appeal to emotions, spread FUD. They may be right by coincidence like standing clocks.


What one meaning does "preach" have in the programming world?

Because I think you used it wrong.


https://www.google.com/search?q=preach

I've described context. You've confirmed it. Statement supported not by fact but by inner voice. My morale stems from Christianity, I believe Enlightenment got it right — discovery of nature is discovery of God. I've been to church, I've seen priest who shared joy. I've seen other priests, I would rather not see them.

X.Org developer described what's wrong with the project [1]. Not one of the Wayland critiques addressed his points. They have no facts, they just want it to fail. Those who work hard and share for free get anger in return. Sway / wlroots maintainer (ddevault) got off the edge from this misinformation and I do not agree with him but I am not maintainer either. Where is love and God in this story?

> That’s not even considering any personal goals, which I have vanishingly little time for. I get zero exercise, and though my diet is mostly reasonable the majority of it is delivery unless I get the odd 2 hours to visit the grocery store. That is, unless I want to spend those 2 hours with my friends, which means it’s back to delivery. My dating life is almost nonexistent. I want to spend more time studying Japanese, but it’s either that or keeping up with my leisure reading. Lofty goals of also studying Chinese or Arabic are but dust in the wind. I’m addicted to caffeine, again.

> Less healthy ways have included walking to the corner store to buy unhealthy comfort foods, consuming alcohol or weed too much or too often, getting in stupid internet arguments, being mean to my friends and colleagues, and googling myself to read negative comments. [3]

That's story behind Linux infrastructure. Because of such work I have Linux and I am grateful for it, but no mob wants to finish them.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQh_DmDLKQ

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24896917

[3] https://drewdevault.com/2020/01/21/Stress-and-happiness.html


My observation is that "preach" is orthogonal to contribution.

Which is why I think it's the wrong term, and why utxaa was confused.

Your link to Google for a dictionary definition says:

1) deliver a sermon or religious address to an assembled group of people, typically in church.

This wasn't a sermon or religious address, and HN isn't church.

2) publicly proclaim or teach (a religious message or belief).

Okay, so posting a comment on HN is public, which means we're all preaching? This doesn't seem what you mean.

3) earnestly advocate (a belief or course of action).

This is the closest. However, "this is all going to end in X12" seem far from earnest advocacy.

Your own comments seem far more earnest - are you not also preaching?

It's far easier for me to believe you simply used the wrong term.


"preach the end of the world" does not contribute to the facts based world. Even if you don't agree with that I'm fine to end this discussion.


why do you assume i don't know what i'm talking about?


Please address [1] or you don't know what you are talking about. Similar point in next post [2].

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQh_DmDLKQ

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24922936


i either address [1] or i don't know what i'm talking about?

sure pal, you got it.




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