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Nobody is forcing you to use Wayland. Or are they? On Fedora it's a single line change em /etc to disable it (which I do because of Nvidia).


Except that, in the name of progress, various things are broken in the x11 world too on fedora, as a direct consequence of the wayland updates. Which is unfortunate


Fedora switched to Wayland, that is unfortunate for X.Org users but basically it means someone stopped fixing issues.

You either fix them yourself and contribute back if possible. Or switch to distribution where someone still fixes these issues.

I've investigated X.Org caused bug just for two days and since then totally support Wayland development. What we have today is not healthy.


We used to have a well-functioning display server that was robust and battle-tested.

The wayland people replaced that with a half-baked solution because they insisted on boiling the ocean - replacing the entire thing in one go, instead of working piecemeal (which the X protocol was explicitly designed to allow).

Which is a great pity, because now the day of the Linux Desktop is even further off.


X.Org people replaced it with Wayland. Are you going to maintain X.Org? Who is going to maintain it? Maybe you are going to hire developers to preserve purity?

> instead of working piecemeal

That's exactly what happened. Do you remember fonts without anti-aliasing? Run xfontsel, that's X11 fonts rendering. Freetype, Fontconfig, Cairo, Pango, HarfBuzz work on client side and push pixels to X Server. Entire rendering model changed, X.Org become compositor. They've faced limits, they've implemented DRI, DRI2 [1].

Now developers decided to make good compositor. And they've done it without disturbing X11 ecosystem, with clean way to port toolkits. Window Managers can't be ported but they can be reimplemented, just look how many compositors people built [2]. It is a miracle.

Linux future is bright. Video drivers moved from X Server to kernel, display configuration parts replaced by KMS, we've got modern font rendering, text shaping, we've got open source AMD GPU driver!

I still use Intel GPU, X.Org and xmonad, but the times they are a changing.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Rendering_Infrastructur...

[2] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/wayland


> Do you remember fonts without anti-aliasing?

On a 200 dpi display the xfontsel display looks better. :)


I believe you can disable anti aliasing and font hinting in Fontconfig.


The day of the Linux desktop is Windows with WSL2.

The irony.


Did you ever actually setup a graphical environment with WSL2?

I run one, which is why to me the irony feels reversed to what you probably meant. It's clumsy, slow and tedious to setup.


Sounds like a Fedora problem then. Pick a different distro - problem solved.

There is nothing so special going on in Fedora that can’t be done in other distros. Try an Arch based Linux desktop. You’ll get newer packages and better package management. Manjaro has worked well for me.


Indeed. And thankfully nobody is forcing me to use Linux.


btw: Fedora automatically disables Wayland on Nvidia hardware (because Xwayland applications can't be accelerated IIRC).




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