No, but not trusting them doesn’t mean that I accept any old bullshit people wan...

fsflover · on Oct 14, 2020

Practically everything that Snowden leaked turned out to be true. I would not call that bullshit.

zepto · on Oct 14, 2020

I am not calling Snowden’s leaks bullshit either.

Nothing Snowden leaked actually corroborates DocPangloss’s claims.

Snowden showed that these orgs were compromised by prism, not that they willingly joined.

That’s the point.

fsflover · on Oct 14, 2020

> Snowden showed that these orgs were compromised by prism, not that they willingly joined.

Not true. Snowden showed that Apple and Google were "commercial partners" with PRISM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosure....

zepto · on Oct 14, 2020

That doesn’t mean they willingly joined PRISM, knew that they had joined, or knew what data the NSA was taking.

As has been discussed elsewhere there are legitimate and legal reasons for them to cooperate with the NSA in certain ways.

Those two words change nothing more than that there was a partnership of some kind.

No evidence has ever been produced of these companies knowingly participating in the kind of bulk data collection that PRISM is asserted to be.

I’m not claiming to be certain they didn’t participate.

I am claiming that the evidence clearly doesn’t not support that claim yet.