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I hope that the model Apple is using will be made illegal, most likely in the EU first. But I am concerned that if you have a one trillion dollars, they you pretty much can do anything you want, as with such money you can buy any decision. Apple should be forced to allow 3rd party app stores in their ecosystem. There are many other things Apple is doing wrong and all we can do now is to raise awareness about their shady practices. I am proud that I pretty much cured everyone in my circle from buying any Apple products.



> I am proud that I pretty much cured everyone in my circle from buying any Apple products.

And buying what instead?


Potentially unpopular opinion here on HN, but Android.


Not unpopular, but it just won't work; Google has already indicated that it also is going to want a 30% cut. And side-loading is not really an option for the average consumer.

The problem of rent-seeking by monopolists will just go away by itself.


You can just side load an other store, then install from there, which I think is acceptable UX since you really just have to install the store once.


Side-loaded stores can't auto-update apps. You have to confirm each app every time. It's unacceptable UX for a typical user.


We’re going down the rabbit hole but a user can install Aurora Services to get background installs in conjunction with Aurora Store. Currently I would assume the same users that are using alt stores probably have root access to install. Similarly one can flash F-Droid’s privileged extension.

https://gitlab.com/AuroraOSS/AuroraService https://gitlab.com/fdroid/privileged-extension


Oh yeah, but there are “no barriers” to using alternative app marketplaces and Google totally isn’t collecting a rent exactly like Apple. /s

No chance in hell the average consumer is doing this, so they are effectively locked in.


That's a small price to pay for not being beholden to the decisions of an almost trillion-dollar company from a foreign country.


both owning a phone and having worked on large scale apps, users couldn't get an eff about updating apps and are in fact annoyed by it.


They’re more annoyed by persisting bugs and apps that stop working altogether though.

Autoupdating is the way to go for most users IMO.


And that avoids the rent-seeking problem... how?


You can side load apps. You don't need to go through Google Play.


Well that's just the idea. In reality, most people only install apps from Google Play, and Google has decided that it also wants to enforce a 30% cut [1]. Sideloading provides an option, but for most developers, its not a realistic one (See: Epic putting Fortnite onto the Play Store after trying to get people to install by sideloading).

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/28/technology/google-play-st...


Sideloading amounts to downloading a .apk file and clicking yes on the prompt to install it. It's no more difficult than installing applications on Windows. I know firsthand that elementary school children are capable of sideloading apps.

IIRC Google offered Epic more favorable rates after it released Fortnite through side loading. Presumably this indicates that sideloading was a success and Google didn't want Epic to set a precedence that bypassing the Play store is feasible.


> It's no more difficult than installing applications on Windows.

What's important is relative difficulty. If 99% of all apps the consumer can get are on the app store, but they have to go through a new and somewhat foreign side-loading process to get this one app, then they probably will just go for that app's competitor on the App store.

I'd be curious what percentage of Android users, outside of China, sideload apps. My guess is that it would be sub 3%.


I am not sure for normal app. But, for gaming, it is common to download the app from third party app store.


But, correct me if I'm wrong, vendors aren't allowed to bundle other app stores into the home screen if they want to use the Play store.

That seems like classic rent-seeking.


But the point is, you can just download a .apk file and install like like you would on a desktop. You can even download a .apk file that installs an alternative app store. You do have to click through a couple screens with scary warning messages, but it's a much, much softer lock-in than Apple & the App Store.


There are luckily some options for high-end now like ASUS ProArt and similar.




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