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I'm old enough to remember how in 2017 people were un-ironically talking about putting Zuck in jail because Russia allegedly ("allegedly" because it was never proven this was state sponsored) spent $100K to organize some pro- and anti-Trump protests on Facebook, and Facebook allowed Cambridge Analytica do essentially the same data harvesting as Obama's campaign in 2012.

But a Chinese communist party controlled media company with tens of millions of subscribers in the US which was _caught spying_ by both Apple _and_ Google is totally fine.

Is election interference and spying done by China good somehow? I don't get what you're arguing here.

For a litmus test, consider whether you'd hypothetically be fine with a massive social network operating on US soil that's run by e.g. USSR, Taliban, ISIS, or North Korea, ahead of what many think is one of the most consequential elections in our lifetimes.



I think what OP is arguing is fairly straightforward: if TikTok violated actual laws, take them to court, if they didn't, leave them alone. Is the USA supposed to be country that respects the rule of law, or a banana republic directed by the whims of some supreme leader?


The wheels of justice turn too slowly for election interference, which a state controlled company like ByteDance is almost certain to perpetrate. There's even plausible deniability - you could blame it on "algorithms".

Succinctly, here's why TikTok will get banned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSTHgoaVtSw

This is also why Google, Twitter and Facebook will get their asses reamed at some point if they continue doing what they're doing.


> The wheels of justice turn too slowly for election interference

The logical solution would to start spinning the wheels faster, not take authoritarian action.

Of course, the FEC right now doesn’t even have a quorum and has only had one for about a month in the last year, due to negligence by the President and Congress. It’s obvious the politicians aren’t that concerned about the “wheels of justice” when it comes to election ethics.

“ Donald Trump nominated James E. Trainor III on September 14, 2017. After he was confirmed by the U.S. Senate on May 19, 2020, the commission's quorum was briefly restored,[8] and one meeting was held online, due to the coronavirus pandemic, on June 18, 2020.[9] A week later, however, Caroline Hunter resigned, with the result that the FEC once again lacked a quorum.[10]”


So I take it you'd be fine if, e.g. Yandex (the "Russian Google") entered the market then? Good to know. Or is that different somehow, in your mind?


Yes, as the other person said, Yandex is available in the USA right now. I’ve seen Yandex bots crawling the USA-based websites I manage at my job. And that’s totally fine.

We don’t have a great firewall here in the USA. At least not yet.


Entered which market? Yandex works (and has always worked) fine in the US as far as I can tell. I'm not getting your point.


Social media (AKA "election interference") market. You're only pretending to "not get" my point.


It seems that you're presuming that I would have some sort if issue if Yandex were to try to start a FB competitor in the US, which I don't. So I really don't get your point.

FWIW, vk.com already freely operates in the US, and I don't see any problems with that either.




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