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This is a cool exercise, but there's a broken assumption. Or an assumption of no outwear I missed:

> Where is there enough support to prevent items swinging around uncomfortably?

He answered this with a box basically around the thighs, but I'd also add the torso and maybe even the upper arms.

A personal bugbear of mine is jackets without internal breast pockets. When you have one on each side of a jacket that isn't ultra lightweight, it fits a wallet and phone perfectly, it's super accessible, and it doesn't change the appearance. In San Francisco where you never really need to zip/button up your jacket, it's perfect. This is the hill I will die on.



I think it can be quite hard to make a jacket which won’t sag too much or have a weird weight distribution with things in the breast pocket. And you may get a visible lump depending on the size of the item and fit of the jacket (again large flat phones against a not-flat chest doesn’t help, and neither does the trend for clothing to fit quite tightly).

That said, I agree with you that internal pockets in jackets are great (though obviously it can be harder to access the contents once you have taken the jacket off).

I do also have a jacket with a pocket on the upper sleeve. It’s tiny and weird and basically useless and I’m not really sure what it’s for (credit card? Tiny MP3 player? If it were a skiing jacket then I might guess it was for a lift pass but it’s definitely not a skiing jacket and it’s a weird manoeuvre to try to get your upper arm to a reader at waist height) though sometimes I will put my keys there because their lumpy shape makes them uncomfortable in pockets closer to the skin and I rarely need to access them


I fully agree, though I’m on the East Coast and evening then I don’t mind occasionally opening my jacket to get my wallet or phone.

When shopping a jacket without dual internal breast pockets goes back on the rack and won’t be considered.


External breast pockets work okay for this, too, provided they're big enough and have some kind of flap (with a button or velcro or zipper) to keep it closed. Such pockets are especially handy on shirts.




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