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> Signs saying 'now leaving the USA'

It's a joke on a written on a piece of cardboard. I guarantee you the vast majority of people there never thought that they had left the territory or jurisdiction of the United States.

It never was a secessionist movement. That you think that is probably because you never listened to what the people who were there had to say.

That's what I mean when you say you rejected the criticism out of hand. You didn't even listen to the criticism! You heard a completely distorted summary that was pushed by people with polar opposite goals of the protesters. You didn't take the time to listen to the criticisms that were leveled, or their demands, before deciding that they were a secessionist movement.



In general, I find it difficult to accept criticism from anyone taking over public property, whether it be the Bundies or CHOP. That's not calling for reform, that's terrorizing people. I read their list of demands, including abolishing prisons, hiring doctors based on race, and the abolition of the court system. I then decided that abolishing the courts, police, and racial hiring preferences are so far removed from the American ideals, that these are not 'reforms'. This is a radical departure from anything considered American. This is extremism, not reform.

If you're so confident in their demands, why don't you post them? Here's where I got mine from: https://www.dailydot.com/debug/seattle-capitol-hill-autonomo... . If you don't actually think this is what they want you need to (1) establish why the article I linked is incorrect and (2) establish why whatever list of demands you produced is the 'official' one. According to wikipedia, the demands in the daily dot article were posted on Medium by organizers of the protest.

Here is the authoritative list: https://medium.com/@seattleblmanon3/the-demands-of-the-colle...

Anyone who thinks this is 'reform' and not a radical undoing of everything the US stands for is not seeing what I'm seeing.




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