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That's a misnomer. Just as autopilot in an airplane requires active attention by a pilot, so too does autopilot in a Tesla require active driver attention.



"The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself."

- Tesla


That is a comment about unreleased software planned for the future.

All radar based distance cruise control does this same thing. They ignore strange stationary reflections.


That quote is from a demo video showing what capabilities will be rolled out in the future when a) the system is ready for the public, and b) regulatory approvals are granted.


People are bad at driving cars. People are impossibly bad in a fashion that can never on average be improved at monitoring a car they aren't driving and reacting fast enough.

60 mph = 88 fps. Reacting 3 seconds late is reacting 256 feet too late especially give the other 240 feet you are going to need to actually stop.

Blaming people for not doing something we knew people couldn't do seems pointless.


Ask 99 out of 100 people, and they'll say an autopilot "makes the plane fly itself." I'm 100% on board with Tesla and most of Musk's other efforts, but calling this system "Autopilot" was negligent.

Are you (speaking to the audience at large, not to the OP) an engineer at Tesla? Did you speak up when they decided to call this thing "Autopilot"? Why or why not?


> and they'll say an autopilot "makes the plane fly itself."

I don't believe in tailoring your marketing for your most ignorant customers. If you ask a Tesla advisor during a test drive, they will very clearly state the car does not drive itself (ask; I've tried more than once to see if they'd say something other than company stance). It is extremely clear in the vehicle's manual and other documentation put front and center for the driver that Autopilot is meant to be an assist, and the driver is responsible at all times. Don't turn on the feature if you're going to ignore the warning messages and legalese.

Example in-vehicle copy:

https://i1.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/201...

https://www.garyshood.com/tesla-autopilot-features/forward.j... ("Similar to the autopilot function in airplanes, you need to maintain control and responsibility of your vehicle while enjoying the convenience of Autopilot in Model S")


> I don't believe in tailoring your marketing for your most ignorant customers.

How about tailoring it for your typical customer? That typical customer only learned about autopilot from movies and shows. Or from the popular phrase for spacing out.


Expecting users to proactively ask for clarification of confusing marketing is a HORRIBLE approach.


With roughly a million cars sold and only a handful of owners dead (6 [1]) from their own mistakes (not paying attention), sounds pretty successful to me. Lots of folks would kill for a 0.000006% fatality failure rate, considering the human failure rate:

> Distracted driving is dangerous, claiming 2,841 lives in 2018 alone. Among those killed: 1,730 drivers, 605 passengers, 400 pedestrians and 77 bicyclists. [2]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_self-driving_car_fatal...

[2] https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/distracted-driving

Disclaimer: There is some nuance to this. Early Teslas had no Autopilot, some have Autopilot 1 powered by MobileEye, some have Autopilot 2-3 powered by Tesla. I still believe my point regarding statistics stands. Some people have died, but the amount is noise when considering changing the marketing. Pay attention like you’re supposed to and you don’t die.


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What a time to live in when you can’t expect personal responsibility from a driver.


I think people would be a lot less concerned about this if the manufacturer toned down the marketing.

To quote Monty Python, as is traditional on the Internet:

> Inspector: It doesn't say anything here about lark's vomit!

> Mr. Hilton: Ah, it does, on the bottom of the box, after 'monosodium glutamate'.

> Inspector: I hardly think that's good enough! I think it'd be more appropriate if the box bore a great red label: 'WARNING: LARK'S VOMIT!!!’

You shouldn’t have to proactively ask the salesperson to learn that it’s unsafe.


Ah, but Autopilot is a software product whose marketing suggests it's possible to remove responsibility for driving a car from the driver.


An airliner on autopilot will avoid colliding with other airplanes in it's path all by itself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_collision_avoidance_sy...


It’s not automatic. TCAS is a warning system (available given the sensors installed) that provides a resolution advisory. It’s up the pilot to take action.

A very few number of planes do have the capability to integrate this with autopilot but it’s almost always disabled because it can cause cascading collision issues.


TCAS is a warning system, it doesn't take control of the aircraft, just shout instructions to the pilot.


Only if they're running a transponder with their GPS location, heading and velocity.




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