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"If you hire a programmer who is asking for $500 a month or more, then you will most likely be getting a real top notch developer with tons of experience and who can do ANYTHING with minimal supervision."

Dear author, this is a very, very dubious claim.


It might be just true when the said developer resides in Philippines, and ANYTHING == AdSense bait throwaway project.


Indeed. Writing software is hard. Writing software that can be maintained by someone else is harder.

It is hard to ensure that what the customer wants is what the programmer is building. It is even harder when they live on different continents, have different cultural backgrounds, and different native languages.

If you want some throwaway code written, outsourcing may well be the best way to do it. If you want maintainable code that you're going to base long-term business goal on, outsourcing is less likely to produce a good outcome.


> I use onlinejobs.ph and bestjobs.ph to find people.

He probably is talking about Philippines market.


What kind of projects are you creating? Shallow ad based content sites or something more involved?


Given the number of one line paragraphs in the post, it does seem to have been written by a Virtual Assistant or many.


Given the number of one-line comments on this post, people must be responding emotionally rather than logically.


> Set a high standard immediately Do not allow the quality to slip… not even once.Make they do a task over and over until they get it right.

A bit ironic coming from someone who wrote the article in a slapdash hurry, with numerous grammatical, typographical and CSS errors.


They didn't write it, their VA did!


Just wanted to share some insights I have come up with...working virtually with a team which can be managed systematically to scale any business up and yep, free your time :)


I assume you upset may HN'ers by suggesting a programmer for less than $1000.

Obviously, it works for you and you are profitable on clickbank.

I appreciate the article. Don't stop posting because of negative feedback.


What niches are your e-books in?


The blatant idiocy and hatred of this comment more than justifies the downvotes from HNers (and lack of reasons for them) that this comment has received.

No, really, why did you guys downvote that?


How is that comment idiotic or hateful? Or are you referring to your own comment?


If this is how you get rich, then I'd rather stay poor.


I need to take a shower after reading this post.


Yes, before you can drive Mercedes Benzes, you need to drive slaves.


It reads like a sales pitch. I couldn't bare reading it all the way through.


First off I would like to say that you are pitching to the wrong crowds. If I'm not mistaken, HN readers are mostly hands on coders. Meaning we are the programmer that you are talking about outsourcing. Part of the allure of this adventure in Y Combinator style entrepreneurship is the hands-on nature of building our own product. To build our baby, release it to the world and hopefully see it being loved by everyone. If I were to outsource the most interesting part of this adventure, the programming, why am I going this route then. I might as well get some money, contact some vendors in China and sell merchandise. Might not be a tech startup, but a startup nonetheless.

While your ideas are sound, the execution is going to be very different. Just look at the countless companies who outsourced their IT development and support to other countries and how many faced millions of dollars or losses and missing datelines by months if not years. Boeing is the most recent story that comes to mind. If you think Skype and Basecamp is all you need to managed a programmer, i think it's a little bit naive. From my personal experience, agile style code review and plenty of micro milestones are the most important and they are only the beginning.

Also in my humble opinion, unless you have no clue as to how to build your product, you should almost never ask your programmer to come up with the architecture. Most of the time your programmer is not looking at your vision from the same perspective as you are, thus this is where a deviation from the original design occurs. Good or bad deviation is up to the situation, but more importantly what's the long term impact of this deviation and is the new solution or path maintainable?

Every programmer code in their own style. What this essentially means, the next programmer who takes on maintaining your product will have little to no clue how or what the previous programmer did. Thus programmer usually hijack a process mid stream, do what needs to be done and feed the data back to the process. Imagine this process occurs over and over again and 5 yrs down the road, your code just became 5 times more bloated than it needs to be and it will soon be unmaintainable. Then a complete rewrite is needed which usually mean lots more money.

As you can see I've only highlighted a couple of issues, these points are just the tip of the iceberg. If you think programmer can be just another commodity product that you can buy and sell as needed in units, you are sorely mistaken. A good programmer is equal part art and skill. We are not the union workers stamping out car parts, we are the specialize welders and builders that you go to when you want to build a GT racer.

I would like to conclude by saying that I mean no disrespect to your idea and article, but I think there might be quite a few things that have not been considered or covered by your article. Also your idea is very similar to Tim Ferris's 4Hr Work Week.


This makes me very sad.


This is pure spam


Good read.. this could also be a productivity booster..




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