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A little beside the topic perhaps, but my all time favorite desert greening project is connecting the huge Qattara Depression in Egypt with the ocean.

This would create a huge lake in northwestern Egypt, potentially home for millions. It would also negate one year of climate change induced sea rise, or so I read somewhere.

https://www.energycentral.com/c/ec/qattara-depression-projec...

Map of the potential lake, if brought up to sea level: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qattara_Depression#/media/File...




The 1989 paper on this is well worth reading, although it only looks at the electricity and fresh water generation prospects: https://www.sci-hub.tw/10.1080/00908318908908939

> it is apparent that the hydro plant alone would be cost effective at an oil price of 34 $/barrel.

The novel hydro-solar scheme is also really interesting but appears not to have gone anywhere; I suspect the economics of the whole thing are now dwarfed by solar, although "use the depression as a pumped storage scheme" plan has some mileage there.


To me the main value would be a new big area of habitable land in Egypt, where tens of millions could live.

Focusing on power generation misses the big picture for me.


Couple dozen 55km Boring Company Tunnels could do the trick, no?


> Couple dozen 55km Boring Company Tunnels could do the trick, no?

The Boring Company is not the only one using COTS tunneling equipment, nor has any relevant engineering project under it's portfolio. Although it excels at marketing, I fail to see how it should be used as a measuring stick in geothecnical work.


If they ever dig a tunnel this long.


It sounds like a neat idea from the point of view of the sort of person who thinks it might be cool to use nukes to excavate mountain passes, or do large scale geo-engineering of the oceans to stop global warming, but...if you don't like habitat destruction and climate change I don't think you're going to get behind this plan.


That's mostly a question about your values, and not much to argue about.

On the factual level, there is very little habitat to destroy there. It's about as lifeless an area as there is on Earth.


I'm not expressing an opinion, I'm just saying people who care about the environment would not be happy. It's not the moon.

Even deserts have ecosystems. See the section on flora and fauna in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atacama_Desert which in parts has been used for a stand-in for Mars.

The Qattara depression doesn't seem to be in the same league as the Atacama, as far as lifelessness goes. I mean, gazelles, cheetahs, vast wetlands?


We've devastated absurd quantities of woodland, marshland, plains, rainforest, river, beach and ocean ecosystems. Devastating a few microscopic specks of desert ecosystem seems like the least of our worries.


Well, the current ecosystem would be destroyed, but it would be replaced with one a 1000 times richer.

It would also give millions of people in one of the most densely populated poor countries in the world a new place to live.

To me, that's an easy tradeoff. But I can see the other side of the argument.


The people worried about the desert are going to be worried about the Moon too.




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