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they are not end-to-end encrypted but they are encrypted. Also, I read that WhatsApp is going to switch to the same mode, for user convenience: https://bgr.com/2019/07/29/whatsapp-update-to-bring-multi-pl...



Oh, come on! If Telegram can decrypt chats for a user, they can decrypt it if they really want. Any other kind of encryption is irrelevant - from third party attackers, tls works good enough.


Yeh "endpoint security" is hard. You need some trusted specialized hardware or network.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-to-end_encryption#Endpoint...


Dealing with the endpoint security is a really tough problem but I have a pet-project that pushes the price per endpoint just below $500 https://github.com/maqp/tfc




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