I agree about the screenshots and a demo in addition is even better. Or even better yet: real world use cases. To see frab live and in action google for "ccc fahrplan" For example, last year's congress "fahrplan" is:
Is this more geared towards educational/business conferences (where the primary motivation is speakers disseminating information to large groups of people) can it do more entertainment conferences or fan cons with booths and a show floor and the like?
Edit: I just realized that I meant to say "conventions" for the second part, and also that there's a lot more crossover than I would have originally thought.
It is so nice to see this on here. I started frab way back for FrOSCon, a german free and open source software conference (which you should totally attend if you can make it!).
I stopped contributing when I stopped organizing FrOSCon, but thankfully Mario, the current maintainer, has picked it up and he does a tremendous job ever since. Also a big thank you to all contributors.
Our schema has a similar table, but with "prefix" instead of "gender", where on the front end a list pops down with Mr., Ms., etc. We just use the prefix to form the full name.
I wonder where the need to track gender comes from in such an app. We manage events and conferences too, but gender hasn't come up beyond the salutation. Since they do care about gender maybe they will soon also want pronoun and possessive_pronoun columns.
Middle names are definitely not universal, sure, but I can't seem to find a list of cultures that can't map down to "first name, last name".
Iceland, Indonesia, Turkey, Ethiopia, everything I've come across seems to have adopted some superset of "first name, last name" in the last hundred years.
> The only justification to collect them separately is to link with third-party data.
In Japan, many organizations are required to collect this for legal compliance.
> They should stop playing around and just ask me what they want to know, "How would you like to be addressed?"
That is a good thing to ask -- and certainly suitable for generating nametags! -- but I can still see many cases for needing to have a legal name. Generating receipts, etc.
> I can't seem to find a list of cultures that can't map down to "first name, last name".
It's the meaning of them that's mainly the problem. In western cultures, the first name is your given name and the last name is your family name. In eastern cultures the first name is your family name and the last name is your personal name.
So without more information, you don't know whether to call them "Mr [first name]" or "Mr [last name]". If you don't know what to call them after they've filled in the name fields in your form, that's a pretty fundamental failure.
> I can still see many cases for needing to have a legal name.
Sure, but first name / last name is not a good way to do it.
> In eastern cultures the first name is your family name and the last name is your personal name.
First name and last name are bad proxies for given name and family name. Anyone from an Eastern culture filling in an English form knows or should know that. If they don't, it's mostly their fault.
> So without more information, you don't know whether to call them "Mr [first name]" or "Mr [last name]".
You call them "Mr [last name]".
This is mostly an imagined problem, and it goes away if you ask for "first name/given name" and "last name/surname", which removes any ambiguity.
(I happen to have an Eastern name, so I did not call it an imagined problem because I knew nothing about it.)
> First name and last name are bad proxies for given name and family name.
It sounds like you are agreeing with me here.
> Anyone from an Eastern culture filling in an English form knows or should know that. If they don't, it's mostly their fault.
A bad form design collects bad data and it's the fault of the person filling it in? How about we just use better form fields?
> This is mostly an imagined problem, and it goes away if you ask for "first name/given name" and "last name/surname", which removes any ambiguity.
If you acknowledge that this ambiguity can be resolved by changing what you are asking, why are you arguing this point? Just use better form fields.
> (I happen to have an Eastern name, so I did not call it an imagined problem because I knew nothing about it.)
I have a western name and my name is backwards on all sorts of documents and I've been called "Mr Jim" a huge number of times because of this issue. It's not mostly imagined, it's extremely common in my experience.
If you want to know their legal name, ask for their legal name. If you want to know what you should call them, ask what you should call them. First name / last name are not good fields for this and the solutions are simple.
> If you acknowledge that this ambiguity can be resolved by changing what you are asking, why are you arguing this point? Just use better form fields.
I mean, it's a very simple cosmetic fix and has no bearing on the schema. I thought you were arguing that the first name / last name model is fundamentally broken, but I guess you were not.
yes, sometimes that's handled as "full name" and a call-me-this "preferred name" rather than first and last.
also, postgres, which most rails apps seem to prefer, has no performance gain for 'string' over 'text' so might as well use 'text' so you have no potential problems with long names (less of a problem with genders, presumably).
There are lots of reasons to need them separate. Alphabetizing by last name, showing only the first name in some places, only last name in some places...
Some conferences are in locations with restricted accommodation facilities, and if you don’t specify a roommate, you are paired with someone of your gender.
So that’s why the gender might be needed.
As far as the preferred pronouns are concerned, I see them as something with heavy political connotations. No one who is not hard left believes in the necessity of the xir pronoun, and of course there are trans people also among the right!
So, to me it’s completely acceptable that something so controversial is not included.
Automatically pairing people by gender is pretty weird IMO. As a trans woman I have to find my own roommate or find an organizer to intervene and explain my life story to them.
The choice works for 99% of people, and it’s always very clearly stated. If you have any problem with the default choice, I am sure the organizers will do their best to accommodate your request.
The same holds for special dietary requests, special assistance, people arriving late or leaving earlier, people traveling with partners, with children, etc...
I don’t want to be rude, but please just realize that usually the defaults try to accommodate as many persons as possible, and then there’s always the possibility to ask.
Do you have any better solution? I would be interesting in hearing what you think!
Have a look at what we use at https://fosdem.org [0][1]. In terms of software, a crucial component is voctomix [2], using it as a headless video mixer. Another invaluable component is nginx-rtmp [3] for streaming.
We made a heavy push to get all of this packaged in Debian. It's a surprisingly powerful combination.
[1] https://pretalx.org
[2] https://github.com/pretalx