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How about Zed Shaw's Learn C the Hard Way?



I've only skimmed the book, but I wouldn't recommend it. The author has a tendency to be snarky and come up with "fixes" for "mistakes" that "old" C programmers make, except he does so in a way that is at odds with the fundamental design of C constructs and does not really show a correct understanding of undefined behavior.


I vaguely recall the whole fallout where it was revealed he clearly did not understand undefined behavior, and I believe he did walk back and accept his misunderstanding.

That said, yes it is damned annoying to have someone that doesn't understand the intricate details of the language poop all over that community and act as if "well i've contributed lots of code in C, why listen to a bunch of language lawyers, that isn't important anyway" as if the two are mutually exclusive. There are some of us that have been using C for years for actual work and are also intricately familiar with the prickly details of the standard. Those are the people that you should be looking for C books. Zed Shaw consistently shows he would rather hear the sound of his own voice and diminish things that are uninteresting to him rather than put in that work to become an expert on all facets of the topic he is claiming expertise.

https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/16422/zed-shaw-gets-schoo...


I just finished Learn C the Hard Way and would be interested in a comparison between it and those other books mentioned.

Just from a quick glance, Modern C appears to be a much more in depth book. It appears to cover things like memory alignment, advanced types like unions, malloc, threads, etc.

Learn C the Hard Way is more of a quick introduction. You learn the basics, like pointers, basic data structures, basic types and then learn to do something interesting with those basics (build a web server). It also teaches some valuable real life practices that Modern C doesn't touch on, like how to structure your project, makefiles, how to use Valgrind and gdb.


Wait what, Learn C the Hard Way doesn't teach malloc? Programming without dynamic memory allocation is pretty restrictive. What "data structures" does it even teach if it doesn't cover malloc?


Like I said, it teaches the basics. There's a single page on heap vs stack allocation and it says malloc allocates memory to the heap. That's it. That's all you really need to know to do stuff and it doesn't go into what malloc actually does under the hood.

Modern C has an entire chapter called "malloc and friends" where it goes into much more depth about malloc, calloc, realloc, etc.

The book is a good introduction to programming in C and I'm glad I read it. You obviously have a history with the author and I'll thank you to keep your past impressions out of this particular discussion.


> There's a single page on heap vs stack allocation and it says malloc allocates memory to the heap. That's it. That's all you really need to know to do stuff

Every other C book seems to disagree, but OK.

Does the book cover the -> operator? Does it mention free and realloc? You need those to do stuff, at least.

> You obviously have a history with the author

How is this obvious, since it is incorrect?


I'm not interested in continuing this line of conversation. Read the book if you want to know more.


Here's an old critique, but based on everything I've ever read from or about Zed Shaw, I trust that it's still valid: http://hentenaar.com/dont-learn-c-the-wrong-way




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