You are correct, you'd definitely lose the freedom to own a gun that fires 10 rounds a second, to defend your home. In Australia you'd just have to make do with the freedom to own a bolt-action.
On the other hand, A whole bunch of civilians in malls would gain the freedom to live.
First, people in America can't own guns that fire '10 rounds a second' without a class 3 firearms license, which is very rare. Such guns are basically never used in mass shootings.
Second, depending on who you need to defend your home from, you may want such a gun. For example, if government or government sanctioned groups are a threat. An example of this is the killings of white farmers in South Africa. Is not just about burglars, it's about gas chambers and political threats. Always has been.
Finally, redefining safety as freedom is a truly absurd abuse of language which wipes out a critical distinction that has been heavily discussed for a long time. If this is what it takes for you to make your point make sense, your point doesn't make sense.
Just admit it. You want more safety. You're willing to give up freedom (or rather, sacrifice the freedom of others) to get it. No need to play ridiculous semantic games to pretend there are no tradeoffs here.
Again, you are very correct. There's always tradeoffs where freedom is concerned. For example, you may be free to bring a gun into your home for defence, but the tradeoff is that you and your family are 3x freer to die from gunshot wounds as a result.
Also very cool and correct of you to support the restriction of high fire rate firearms, like the assault rifles used in all of the mass shootings over the last decade.
You're correct to say safety isn't freedom. However, being alive definitely contributes to freedom. Gun safety and being alive are correlated :) Remember, trigger discipline!
America is definitely an outlier in terms of gun deaths. I don't know much about the situation in South Africa, but it's very interesting you'd consider the death of some white farmers in Africa as pertinent, when the vast majority of political violence in America in the last decade has been perpetrated by white men.
Also interesting that you'd consider government sanctioned groups as a threat. Do you feel like if the brave men and women of the American military were ordered to take your guns, they'd do so? Why do you think so little of our troops?
"you may be free to bring a gun into your home for defence, but the tradeoff is that you and your family are 3x freer to die from gunshot wounds as a result."
Do I need to say this? Correlation does not equal causation.
"restriction of high fire rate firearms, like the assault rifles used in all of the mass shootings over the last decade"
I never stated any such support, and that is not the definition of an assault rifle, it's the definition of an automatic weapon.
"it's very interesting you'd consider the death of some white farmers in Africa as pertinent, when the vast majority of political violence in America in the last decade has been perpetrated by white men."
I wasn't talking about 'gun violence', I was talking about political violence; those African killers are not necessarily using guns. You didn't understand me, clearly, but nice to immediately slip in a racism accusation there.
Of course it's perpetrated by whites; they're almost 80% of the population.
"Do you feel like if the brave men and women of the American military were ordered to take your guns, they'd do so?"
The rest of what you're saying seems to be some kind of rhetorical trick; speak plainly if you have a point to make.
I don't have any guns and I never said I was American, but I appreciate the stereotyping and assumptions. Clearly, imagining me as a truck-driving beer-swilling hillbilly, or whatever racist steretotype you prefer, makes it easier to not think about what I'm saying, because you clearly didn't engage with any of it.
>White men are around 35%, so it's weird that this very vocal and pearl-clutching portion of the population commits so many murders per capita.
Men commit more murders than women (in all places and times).
In America, whites commit less murders than their population percentage. This is true overall, and amongst men only.
You seem to support holding suspicion of entire identity groups on the basis of crime statistics. If so, you must really hate young black men; they're 4% of the population and commit >50% of American murders. Do you? If not, why the obsessive focus on 'white men'?
>Do you feel like if the brave men and women of the American military were ordered to take your guns, they'd do so?
I asked you to make your point and you insist again on rhetorical questions with some kind of implied but unspoken point behind them. But sure, I'll answer: Given that I'm not American and I don't own any guns, it's kind of a bizarre question. If they were ordered to invade my country, I think they would. But that'd be a very different world.
>What have you specifically said that you think I'm not thinking about?
> Men commit more murders than women (in all places and times).
I know, 90-95% in fact! Which makes it interesting that so often people focus on racial issues, like the plight of white south african farmers, when there's a wayyyy larger correlation with violence of all kinds, and gender. An individual gun owner's reason for owning a gun may focus on some abstract interracial political violence, when they're much more likely to be murderer by a young, poor, man.
> Redefining safety as freedom is absurd.
If some level of safety is required in order to live, freedom is contingent on safety. When you're dead you can't own any guns.
On the other hand, A whole bunch of civilians in malls would gain the freedom to live.
Freedom would expand.