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Apple Factory Thefts: Secret Tunnels, Hidden Crawl Spaces (theinformation.com)
245 points by ballmers_peak on July 23, 2019 | hide | past | favorite | 101 comments



Throwaway account to be safe. ————

While I did not deal with Apple specifically, I did however deal with another major mobile phone corporation — at that time — and i’m sure most of you have heard of them: Research In Motion, RIM, BlackBerry, etc.

This was during a time, my guess is 2008-2010, when forums, unreleased product leaks, and blogs were a very big business and leaks were lucrative to everybody. As a BlackBerry user myself, I found myself spending a lot of time in the old Crackberry.com forums, which happen to have a lot of RIM employees, insiders, and also black market dealers. I’ve soon found myself in contact with people who were passing me (!) information — just an anonymous forum poster.

After a while, I’ve gained the trust of some of my sources and things started to get a little different. Instead of just information, I was getting files of unreleased BlackBerry OS for products that weren’t even released at the time. [0]

Eventually I was given the opportunity to gain access to unreleased devices. Without mentioning any specifics, just in case, let’s just say these phones were like hot potatoes. If you were lucky, the device PIN hasn’t been blacklisted — meaning no BBM, service, your phone is now a brick — by RIM after they notice its missing. How long it’d continue working for was a mystery. Some would go for weeks, others would be dead by the time it arrived in the main. The one thing you wanted to look for? The “Property of Research in Motion Limited” sticker on the back. [1]

But to get back to it’s relevance, I would sometimes learn from the sellers how these phones got out of the building without being noticed and there were a few ways.

1. Metal detectors and x-ray machines: In some areas, employees would have their bags and body scanned by security and this was one of the easiest, yet terrifying option of getting products out of the building. Along side the x-ray machine, there would be a gap between that and the wall. When you walk up to put your stuff down on the belt, just slide the phone down the side and grab it on the other side. With this you’re only doing 1 phone at a time.

2. Windows: Some of them would open so all you had to do was open the window and .. drop the phone down into the bush below. Pick it up after work and nobody can check.

3. Retailers: As with anything, it’s not what you know but who you know. If you’re becoming friends with your manufactures rep, you can get easy access to some gems. Mind you this was all being done in Canada so these phones were being handed around like drugs.

4. Self smuggling: They would just stick phones, shells, etc. in their pants and try to walk out without alerting security and/or bypassing it.

Granted this all was before security tightened up and well before RIMs eventual downfall. While some of it may seem far fetched, let me tell you one thing: if you’re going to deal in unreleased phones, don’t use their phones built-in messaging system (BBM) to conduct business.. Because a nice fella from the security team at RIM will give you a call on your personal cell phone one late night and tell you that they know what you’re doing and to stop it.

So I stopped that night.

— [0]: RIM was notorious with changing product code ames and they also had multiple numbering schemes for GSM, CDMA, or international models (ie os v9.5 for 9200 would be the GSM version but v9.5 for a 9220 is the CDMA version).

[1]: https://recombu-content.imgix.net/app/uploads/13578-M11755-1...


> Because a nice fella from the security team at RIM will give you a call on your personal cell phone one late night and tell you that they know what you’re doing and to stop it.

I don't know if anyone else has this reaction, but I find this to be a great alternative to the litigiousness that is normally reported.

> So I stopped that night.

...and good on you for allowing "not suing" to be a successful option. (I'm taking no position on the behavior BEFORE you got caught, but once you were, you didn't "force" them into more extreme options)


Seems a bit in the clouds. The poster knowingly took ownership of stolen property and got a warning over it. Stopping after you're caught doesn't right your wrong.


> Stopping after you're caught doesn't right your wrong.

Nope! I still remain happy to see that something gets stopped without legal action, and seeing a company that didn't go for the throat succeeding in their defense.

Just because a wrong isn't righted doesn't mean we can't be happy the situation didn't get worse.


A refreshing view. So many people seem to emotionally need some sort of social vindication of their injury, or in some other way feel dissatisfied if there isn't third-party shaming/punishment/etc. involved in conflict resolution.

Sometimes, the best approach is "Yo, can you cut that out?"


Somehow I think if the poster conspired to steal your own cell phone, you'd feel differently. What about a shoplifter at Target? You're implying that companies prosecuting theft are somehow morally inferior to RIM.


> Somehow I think if the poster conspired to steal your own cell phone, you'd feel differently

I'm not sure I would, depending on what you mean.

Would I be more upset about someone conspiring to harm an individual as opposed to taking investigative actions that MIGHT harm a company by spreading information? Yes.

Would I feel that someone stopping their conspiracy to steal my phone when I caught them and called them out wasn't enough? Probably not. There was bad, it was stopped, that's still a good ending.

Would I be nervous that whoever was so conspiring wouldn't just stop when asked? Yes, admittedly. But that doesn't mean that harsher punishments actually fix that.


Bit of a straw man isn't that? Your one single cell phone is a bit different from one of hundreds of prototypes not owned by anyone in particular or even intended for sale.


I would be mad at someone stealing prototypes I use for development.


There was a super interesting article in the New Yorker a few years ago about the smuggling of unreleased albums out of CD manufacturing plants back in the day. Your experiences remind a lot of that:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/04/27/the-man-who-br...


Very nostalgic! The article gets most of the history right. I believe kali formed HNA which merged into RNS. Being a computer nerd, I think having pre-released albums in school was the only time I felt cool.

UPDATE: found a site that has more background on RNS and the mp3 scene history -- https://www.mp3scene.info/groups/22/rns/


I felt swindled too when I found that BBM’s encryption was basically worthless unless you were an enterprise customer.


Back around 2012 I was an intern at BlackBerry. My team had some test BlackBerry 10 devices, one of which I was using for my work. One day, I left for a late lunch or something and when I returned my test phone was gone. I looked everywhere wondering if I had misplaced it somehow or a team member took it. But asking around no one knew. A brief aside on our office layout: imagine a few closed door offices and meeting rooms along the walls with a large space in the middle. In that large space was a bunch of cubicles. I worked in one of those cubicles and the office right behind me was my director's office.

In any case, I told my manager what happened and things moved on. A couple years later I got a call from a police officer who wanted me to give a statement and possibly testify in court; they had a suspect. Eventually, I think they took a plea deal or just pleaded guilty and so I didn't end up going to court.


So did you pay your sources for the information or if not what was their reason for taking the risk?


Were they smuggled out of RIM 4 (ie. the Factory)? Or from the main office building? From memory of the building layouts this is possible, but I never bothered to try.


It wasn't lost on me when I was working on a contract for a very large secretive tech company that if I leaked info that I had it would affect the share price.

I didn't, but it made me realise how improbable it is that these companies actually manage to keep stuff so secret.

I bet there are hundreds of people reading HN right now who are keeping quiet about stuff that would be explosive if made public. Quite impressive really.


It's not really much different from loads of the HN crowd having eye-watering access to production systems. It's just part of the job, and there are a lot of people whose lives and families depend on you not fucking it up, and the job pays well enough to not worry about going hungry or freezing to death in the snow. Yes, of course, of course, in day-to-day practice simply having integrity is the absolute end of the story, but even to the paranoid risk analysts upstairs it's not that outrageous to trust people who already have a good life and have no reason to risk going to federal prison just for an earlier retirement.


In a previous lifetime I worked for a company that had a Lucasfilm merchandising license for Star Wars: Episode 1.

It was made precisely clear what the damages would be if script details leaked out prematurely, and they would be enumerated in dollars and the figure was incredibly large.

Multiple-commas large. At least two, possibly 3.

The project team toiled for nearly a year behind a locked door, we couldn't discuss a single piece of the project with them until the premiere date.


If you're interested in seeing what happens when you do leak movie details (or in this case, the full movie) -- take a look at William Morarity, who leaked The Revenant, 6 days ahead of it's theatrical release.

https://torrentfreak.com/man-leaked-revenant-online-fined-1-...


> Apple’s suppliers are forbidden from referring to Apple by name or its project code names anywhere in buildings.

In which buildings? Surely (at least vendor specific) codenames are necessary for basic communication. I was affected when a partner team was sidelined by an Apple contract. It was a fireable offense to say <codename> was Apple or leak it, but you could use <codename> internally to indicate that you had mandated commitments and may not meet partnership goals.


I worked at a company that did work for Apple. It was a poorly kept secret that they were a client but even in a 50-person company, I had no idea what exactly that team was working on. We definitely were only working in marketing stuff not product because that was our business. We maybe had early photos of phones at best. They had a huge list of secrecy and security demands many of which applied to people who didn't even work on their stuff. I heard nothing but terrible things about how they treated our team too.


I worked at a company (since acquired by Deloitte) that had the security room for the original iPad. There were not many setups of this.

I joined about 6 months after release of iPad but a lot of Apple OS X and iOS consulting was done by folks in the company.

From iTunes to the original Apple Store app there were small, sometimes single person, teams assisting Apple writing this software day in and day out.

They barely reported to anyone, and barely discussed their work. Just clocked full-time consulting hours on behalf the company.


<codename> is Apple was the worst kept secret at my last company. Even our contractors knew who it was.


When you're ordering in Apple like volumes it has to be very difficult to hide.


Yes. the volume narrowed the potential customer list greatly. I wonder if I would have guessed correctly had I not been on the need to know list.


And also when the things you're building (presumably) have Apple logos on them.


There are tons of components in Apple's devices and only a few Apple logos. If you get an order for 70 million higher end tiny lenses you can narrow down the list of potential customers pretty quickly, no logos needed.


"Fruit themed company" or "Company in Cupertino"


Ah yes, Blackberry.


This is a good occasion to recommend a great British comedy sketch:

My Blackberry Is Not Working!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAG39jKi0lI

One reference that may not be familiar to all viewers: when the sketch was made in 2010, Orange was a popular UK mobile carrier.

Enjoy!


Tangential to the tangential topic but this is my favorite tech pun comedy bit of all time. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=67-GeNYShbc


How on earth have I gone nine years without seeing this? That was fantastic!


No wait, Raspberry.


Oh, wait, was it Orange? Or Rock? Or ...?


I worked on an Apple contract in the late 80s - Apple leaked like a sieve back then too, we used our own code name, unrelated to Apple's for the project ... and when their code name leaked we were happily in the clear


We call it "Fruit company"


Same. I bet that’s common unless we’re coworkers.


I wonder how many of these extraordinary leak prevention measures would be necessary if Apple manufactured their devices in the US or Europe? The temptations for the workers would be the same (big payoffs are a universal temptation), but there might be more of a cultural barrier to overcome. Also I'm fully willing to believe that US authorities would prosecute the crap out of someone stealing from Apple, whereas in China the penalty seems to be that you lose your crappy sweatshop job and have to walk across the street to get a new one.

Apple broke up the supply chain (and probably not a small number of bones) for the time being in China, but it will grow back. The money is too tempting.


> I wonder how many of these extraordinary leak prevention measures would be necessary if Apple manufactured their devices in the US or Europe?

One of the huge economic benefits of standardized, lockable, shipping containers is that rates of products "walking away" on the dock dropped dramatically.

Shipping companies used to just expect a certain % loss from outright theft from dockworkers. Indeed it was considered to be "one of the perks of the job."

> Also I'm fully willing to believe that US authorities would prosecute the crap out of someone stealing from Apple, whereas in China the penalty seems to be that you lose your crappy sweatshop job and have to walk across the street to get a new one.

Assuming the person gets caught, or that they are worth prosecuting. Individual factory line workers, not so much. Throwing a minimum wage worker[1] in jail is a minimal deterrent giving to the potential financial upside. People higher up can just get industry black listed, the community of people making high end consumer electronics is rather very small. (The number of people working on CE is in the tens of thousands+, but the key senior engineers who "make things happen" are fewer in number, and tend to move around a lot between the big players.)

It can be even worse when a partner company leaks. If there are only two suppliers who can provide a part (not uncommon) then you cannot blacklist a supplier who leaked for very long, you'll have to come back around and do business with them again sooner or later, or just accept paying whatever price the other supplier wants to charge.

[1] A lot of electronics factory jobs are not crappy sweat shop jobs, many of the workers are trained technicians who work hand in hand with American engineers to build products. If you ever do manufacturing in China you'll run into the problem of after Chinese New Year the workers will want to bargain to come back to work, or they'll take their skills to another factory that will pay better. The idea that Chinese workers are unskilled trained drones needs to go away.


>Assuming the person gets caught,

You've never worked at a FedEx or UPS hub. Everything gets x-ray going in and out, you go through metal detector in and out, no open containers/phones/electronics/watches etc you can have a wedding band and only a wedding band. When stuff does go missing from a hub/sort facility, the carrier often finds the thief very quickly because everything is constantly being scanned and you know exactly where it last was and where it should have gone next and exactly what people are in that area so you can go right to the appropriate cameras with a known, relatively narrow, time frame.

Doing similar in a factory is trivial and there's going to be a lot less risk of the middle/upper management/security being corruptable. No offense to a random Chinese citizen but, the pay is garbage - a quick google query shows the average factory worker salary equates to $255 to $283. If you can walk out with a prototype of something, I bet you could have it sold within an hour for $1000 with minimal effort and if you were remotely organized could probably fetch several times that within a day. You may have just made several years salary to divide among 2-5 people.

In the United States, someone is going to have a hard time getting it in the hands of competition and at best they might get a grand or two from a less-than-reputable website/media company which isn't worth being fired for and/or facing criminal prosecution.


Your Google got a monthly salary figure not an annual one.


Yes and? 'several times 1000' is multiple year's salary starting at $6800, $6800 for a prototype of a flagship device, or even a structural prototype of a flagship device, isn't unreasonable.

Now compare that to minimum wage in the United States which would be 4x (and then some) what the Chinese factory worker is making and, every factory job I've ever seen pays well more than minimum wage here (a quick Glassdoor search shoes 'The national average salary for a Factory Worker is $39,719', more than 10x a Chinese worker). Making an American worker far less inclined to risk termination and prison.

And in the case of the article, it mentions an individual stealing thousands of casings. You just aren't going to get enough money out of that to make it worth it for multiple American workers to try and smuggle thousands of units out of a factory, the risk to reward ratio just isn't going to work but at a dollar each and only 1000 units a Chinese worker is walking away with 3 months and change of salary.


> The idea that Chinese workers are unskilled trained drones needs to go away.

Some are, some aren’t. Assembly line workers are far from being technicians, but factories have/need technicians as well. It’s the lower skilled assembly line workers who are migrants from the countryside and who will often switch jobs after CNY; the technicians can job hop as well, but being from the cities they aren’t as fixated around the new year to do it.


> The temptations for the workers would be the same (big payoffs are a universal temptation)

Big payoffs are a universal temptation, but the definition of “big” depends on your salary. The article says workers “can earn an amount equivalent to a year’s salary for stealing iPhone enclosures”; that would require more money in the U.S. or Europe.


When I was at Apple, I noticed it was employees at HQ who did most of the "electronic" / photo leaking, usually just to get street cred with zealous users / fanboys on Apple forums.


> I wonder how many of these extraordinary leak prevention measures would be necessary if Apple manufactured their devices in the US or Europe?

Probably still going to need them. The person responsible for ripping and leaking nearly every big album of the aughts before their official releases was in the U.S.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/04/27/the-man-who-br...


> if Apple manufactured their devices in the US or Europe?

Unless I wildly misunderstand something, I'm pretty sure Apple could not produce X amount of devices at Y quality + rate for Z dollars in the US or Europe.


They couldn't hoard a quarter trillion dollars while doing it. It would be a nightmare if they only had a hundred and fifty billion to tide them over until their next big thing.


Do you want Apple to get into the business of manufacturing specialized screws? They could but it's not their core competency. So spend money?


They do have their own screws already


From, http://archive.is/5Gcnp

<<--The president’s question touched upon a central conviction at Apple. It isn’t just that workers are cheaper abroad. Rather, Apple’s executives believe the vast scale of overseas factories as well as the flexibility, diligence and industrial skills of foreign workers have so outpaced their American counterparts that “Made in the U.S.A.” is no longer a viable option for most Apple products."

.............. .............. Apple executives say that going overseas, at this point, is their only option. One former executive described how the company relied upon a Chinese factory to revamp iPhone manufacturing just weeks before the device was due on shelves. Apple had redesigned the iPhone’s screen at the last minute, forcing an assembly line overhaul. New screens began arriving at the plant near midnight. A foreman immediately roused 8,000 workers inside the company’s dormitories, according to the executive. Each employee was given a biscuit and a cup of tea, guided to a workstation and within half an hour started a 12-hour shift fitting glass screens into beveled frames. Within 96 hours, the plant was producing over 10,000 iPhones a day. “The speed and flexibility is breathtaking,” the executive said. “There’s no American plant that can match that.” -->>


It's possible until you assign values to X, Y and Z


They couldn't move the entire production to the US today no. It would have to be a gradual ramp up with suppliers coming online in tandem with the increase in production. There's no supply here because there is no market here, but if you build it they will come. It's not like it's impossible for an existing company to start up a specialized screw line, or for some startup to appear to fill the demand. It's a slow and painful process, but it's not like the Chinese manufacturing industry sprang up overnight either.

The real question is if the pain of switching over is worth it. Do these extraordinary costs in security and shipping outweigh the increased labor costs and potential for unionization in the US? Trump's tariffs might actually affect this calculation as well, but their long term stability is questionable, especially if you're looking 10 years out past the end of his term.


Well, the suppliers supply to other companies too, and they use raw materials from other suppliers themselves. Why would the they move to EU or US for a single customer? Apple squeezes their suppliers so there's no real love there to begin with. The whole manufacturing sector in China is a massive web of tiny vendors tightly coupled with each other. Its huge stash of rare earth metals certainly helps too. I don't believe we're going to see manufacturing move outside of China outside of a major world destabilizing event. I'd estimate that China is about a decade or two away from having its own cutting edge chips and its dependence on external vendors is going to diminish even further. That's not necessarily bad IMHO, every culture and country has their time on the top of the heap. I guess its China's turn.. in a "BIG WAY".


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Please don't post unsubstantive comments here. If you know more, it would be great to share some of what you know so that the rest of us can learn something. If you don't want to do that or don't have time, that's fine, but please don't post comments the above that don't provide any information and merely take swipes at another comment.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


The cultural barriers being that the phone case manufacturers and a presumably US staffed domestic factory wouldn't speak the same language, hang out in the same places, and have the innate fear of "the foreigner" to make them more reluctant to steal from their employer.

I was being slightly glib with the sweatshop comment, but the point was that if the only penalty is having to go to a different factory in the same town for a similar wage if you are caught, then that's not much of a deterrent.


Can you further substantiate your comment? I'm sure you have a lot more to say.


It probably has something to do with the Abrahamic religions' version of mind control known by various terms, including sin, guilt, souls, and forgiveness. You could at one time in history convince most Western workers to not steal from their employers by telling them that people who steal from and betray their social superiors will be judged by an all-seeing deity and then immolate forever after they die.

In contrast, Eastern religion ranged from "be more empathetic" to "never question the authority of the government", and never quite introduced the concept of a vindictive, all-knowing, untrickable deity. Sun Wukong is a trickster who escapes death and taxes by erasing his name from the celestial census rolls.

In one culture, you can never escape judgment for the wrongs you have done. In the other, you can get away with anything, if only you know how to work the system (such as by employing five different mechanisms for achieving immortality).


> employing five different mechanisms for achieving immortality

Are you referring to Hinduism with this line, or is it some other reference?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immortality#Hinduism


Sun Wukong is five-times-immortal, because apparently each different method of achieving immortality has a loophole through which the immortal may still be killed. The loophole for one may be blocked by another. And if you're already immortal one way, you have time to do all the others, too.

This is why the divine court had to imprison him forever by pinning him down with a mountain heavier than he could lift. Execution wouldn't work.

There are quite a few books, movies, miniseries, and television shows covering this. The Monkey King is a cultural staple in China. Son Goku of Dragon Ball is also based on him. Loosely.


Are you claiming that Chinese assembly-line workers suddenly being paid really high wages?


It's fascinating the lengths people will go to both when protecting and leaking unreleased products and manufacturing techniques.

While I would do the same in Apple and Samsung's position, I am worried about the effects of durable secrecy on the sustainability of our society and markets. Markets need competition, and societies need public domain knowledge. If somehow a critical supplier is eliminated there would be no way for a new entrant to fill the gap quickly since all the critical knowledge is secret and centralized.


Realistically people switch companies all the time and the knowledge distributes itself that way.


which is why blanket noncompetes are terrible.


That's exactly why patents were invented: publish your secrets, in return the state gives you exclusive rights on the idea for 25 years. After that everyone can use the instructions from the patent application as they wish.

Of course that system doesn't really work as intended anymore.


Most of the things Apple is trying to keep secret -- like case designs -- shouldn't be patentable anyway.


That works well when you only have to worry about one state with strong legal protections, like the US or Europe. An enormous part of China's economy is the manufacture of counterfeit goods and clones, due to lax enforcement. Patents are effectively meaningless there.


That knowledge is created by the company. Why should everyone have access to it? Can’t competitors create their own processes? The formula to Coca Cola is still practically a state secret, but that didn’t stop Pepsi et al from competing.

Secrets of iPhone manufacturing isn’t something that should be considered worthy of the public domain. Nothing is stopping a competitor from developing their own knowledge and processes. You don’t have to steal to compete.


A few points in response:

1. The knowledge is created by people working for the company. Both the people and the company are part of a broader society, and all (people, company, society) have an interest in keeping the ability to manufacture alive.

2. Reinventing everything from scratch while risking submarine patents is wasteful, especially for processes that are obsolete from the view of the original company.

3. The same secrets that go into making an iPhone go into making everything else. I'm not interested in exact dimensions and features being public before release, but I am interested in the general know-how of precision design and assembly being preserved in a way that can outlive the original company.

4. We have lost significant manufacturing capability before. Nobody knows how to recreate the Saturn V rocket. SpaceX, NASA, and others have to recreate that knowledge at high cost. Society at large has a greater interest in preventing this kind of technological regress than in preserving the secrets of one company indefinitely.


The question of whether knowledge is property isn't a simple one.

Practically, knowledge belongs to anyone who has it.

There may be benefits to setting up cooperative rules about how people can use it. But even in societies with capitalism-friendly approaches, there are cases where knowledge is recognized as a kind of temporary property (say, patents) and yet everyone may have access. There are reasons for that.

Secrets are a different kind of protection. You can try to keep them, and perhaps you even have incentives to do so. This creates an interesting set of incentives for others trying to find out, as well as for those who know to defect (depending on the legal framework and reach).


I was hoping for pictures of the secret tunnels and hidden crawl spaces :(


Here's a tunnel built by El Chapo's people instead. Hope it helps scratch that itch.

https://viceland-assets-cdn.vice.com/viceblog/64645854tunnel...


This is a great article all about the tunnels and how they were constructed: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/08/03/underworld-mon...


Wow. That’s a lot more professional looking than I expected it to be.


The men who made it were in fact professional miners and engineers from what I understand.


I can't help wondering about your word "were" (past tense)?

Doing secret work for a ruthless criminal gang must be risky.


You seem to be right. This article talks about mass graves of diggers being found: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/08/03/underworld-mon...


Were. Still are. But they were, too.


Sorry for the convenience.


>>> Pregnant workers have complained about the use of metal detectors at facilities that make new products, only to be told they would have to change to less sensitive roles if they weren’t willing to submit to screening. Apple’s security policies specifically say no exceptions can be made for pregnancy.

Throwaway for obvious reasons.

Apple mandates that Foxconn worker's worker's wear uniforms with the only pockets on the knees. The goal is to minimize the perception of inappropriate touching during pat downs. Apple also mandates that exit security have a dedicated lane for female workers to be wanded by female guards.


> wear uniforms with the only pockets on the knees. The goal is to minimize the perception of inappropriate touching during pat downs

What about underwear?


What does that even mean? Do these people think you can just walk around the metal detectors in an airport if you’re pregnant?


> If you are pregnant and still concerned, you can opt out of going through screening technology altogether and requesting a pat down. The pat-down will be conducted by a female Transportation Security Officer, who will advise you about the pat-down details.

https://www.tsa.gov/blog/2014/07/22/tsa-travel-tips-pregnant...


That is about the ‘see through your clothes’ advanced imaging devices and not merely metal detectors. Anyone can opt out of these.


That is not the case. A pregnant woman may opt out of screening devices regardless of which type is in use. They are taken to the side and receive a pat down from a female agent. I thought I provided a sufficiently authoritative source for this (it's both in writing and shown in the video), but there are dozens of others you can look up on Google. Here's another, "reasons an individual may opt out of metal detection or AIT (advanced imaging technology) screening include: pregnancy" https://www.tsa.gov/sites/default/files/foia-readingroom/pat...


I remember that huge mistake from one of the Apple employees that had lost an iPhone 4 in a bar. He was testing on the field, cleverly disguised as an iPhone 3GS.


It's interesting that Apple is policing this. Wouldn't it make more sense for Apple to have some sort of "if you leak you are liable for $X" clause in their contract with the factories, so that the factories themselves have an incentive to prevent this?


Meanwhile, Apple’s suppliers are forbidden from referring to Apple by name or its project code names anywhere in buildings. Suppliers must reimburse Apple for investigations and often must pay penalties when leaks are traced back to them. - article


The article mentions that penalties are possible with smaller suppliers but Foxconn is untouchable as they are vital and Apple would not dare impose penalties against them.


"Audacious" "people familiar with the..." . How many times do we have to read that in this article!


I have to agree, those were getting kind of repetitive and annoying.


Don't know what happened but the first time I clicked this link it brought me to unrendered HTML and obfuscated JS. Can't reproduce... but perhaps beware of malware.


Reproduced. The error page contains malware. Appears to be some sort of keylogger, but I didn't actually analyze it.

https://gist.github.com/eugenekolo/81c1e7ff1c699cfbb584fdd6b...


If that's not just on your end, hosting malware is a really big issue for a site that charges $400 USD/year for a subscription to be able to read their articles.


Thank you for flagging. This has been fixed. The page affected was a static file hosted outside our application only to be served when the app was inaccessible or offline. No user data was compromised at any point.


This is an aside, but I think it's interesting: The Information is a hard-paywalled site with a very expensive subscription ($39 USD monthly or $399 annually). Normally you can't read any articles on the site without a subscription.

However, the query string on this link bypasses the paywall for this specific article:

    ?pu=hackernews11vvpt&utm_source=hackernews&utm_medium=unlock
If you remove the pu= variable, you'll hit the usual paywall.

The submitter's profile says "Director of Growth @ The Information". They've been submitting The Information articles to HN for the last couple of weeks with paywall bypasses to try to attract new subscribers.

It's good content, but it's also definitely advertising. Is that a problem? I'm not sure, this is a pretty unusual situation.


Honestly, it was more of a symptom of seeing our content posted on here organically and then the accompanying complaints about the paywall from the community.

There's obviously upside to having more eyeballs on our content.


It seems to be acceptable for HN readers to share workarounds for paywalled content (although it's a practice I strongly disagree with) so I don't see why HN would have a problem with the content creator themselves providing a workaround.


They've coordinated it with us by email. I think it's working out great so far.


Yeah, I don’t disagree. I do disagree with your handling of other paywall workarounds.


They should deliberately be leaking the whole time, some ideas being surreptitiously tested on an unassuming public. In this way any real leak gets ignored as the person making the leak is not as well connected as the posse from the PR company manufacturing fake leaks for Apple.

As part of the operation some leaks can be genuine so the press have full confidence in the PR operation, with it always providing them with tid-bits of speculation.

Who knows, Apple could have such an operation going already, unlikely though.

Microsoft did a similar thing during the early OS wars when they just announced they would be doing something without necessarily doing it. This killed off the incentive for competitors to enter the marketspace. Apple could do a similar thing with phone features.




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