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> As long as you can make it back to HK then you are above the law in Macau/mainland China/Taiwan

Not sure what’s going on with this account’s posting history. That said, this allegation is false.

Taiwan supports the protesters [1]. Taiwan and Hong Kong, both lawful jurisdictions, are free to enter into extradition agreements with each other. This extradition bill was a ham-fisted attempt by Beijing to subjugate Hong Kong. Ironically, in failing, it has shown Xi’s limited power [2].

[1] https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/taiwan-expresses...

[2] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/16/world/asia/hong-kong-xi-j...


What I wrote is not an allegation. It is a fact as there is currently no extradition from HK to Macau/mainland China/Taiwan.

The whole bill was brought forward because of a HK resident accused of murdering his girlfriend in Taiwan and who fled back to HK. You can say that this was a pretext to bring the bill forward but it still highlights a real issue.

The Taiwanese government is being cynical here.

It's also difficult to see how this bill would "subjugate" HK if passed.

I do agree that the HK courts would need to be very thorough in considering extradition requests from the mainland and that their independence should be preserved.

> Ironically, in failing, it has shown Xi’s limited power

Or perhaps people are assuming that "one country, two systems" is a sham when it actually isn't.


> The whole bill was brought forward because of a HK resident accused of murdering his girlfriend in Taiwan and who fled back to HK

Germany broadly prohibits the extradition of its citizens [1]. (As does China [2].) This doesn’t turn Germans and Chinese into lawless actors outside their borders. It just means their international crimes tend to be domestically prosecuted.

There are many ways to solve the problem of cross-border crime. Extradition is one of them. It works when you have two jurisdictions with rule of law. It is a bad solution between Hong Kong and China.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition#Own_citizens

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_law_in_China


They've had extradition for more than 100 years.

http://oelawhk.lib.hku.hk/items/show/2937


Couldn’t you say the same about any pair of counties without an extradition treaty? If an American flees to Russia, he’s “above the law” in America, for example.

What makes HK so special that they must have an extradition treaty with China?


> What makes HK so special that they must have an extradition treaty with China?

Apart from being a Chinese territory?


Hong Kong and China are separate legal jurisdictions, which seems to be the relevant distinction when considering extradition laws.

It’s a bit reductive to describe Hong Kong as a “Chinese territory.”

What do you think would happen if China attempted to forcefully annex Hong Kong?


How would you proceed to "annex" your own territory?

HK is not Crimea (mentioned by someone else), it is Chinese but enjoys a high degree of autonomy until 2047.


You send a bunch of soldiers into the territory and say the treaty is canceled, 28 years early.


The PLA is already stationed in Hong Kong. They moved in during the early morning of 1 July 1997:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koH6lGlcbn8


China annexed Hong Kong in 1997.


>What do you think would happen if China attempted to forcefully annex Hong Kong?

Lots of social media posts. Little action. Just like the Crimea.


Crimea has the problem that the annexation was very, very popular among Crimeans, even more so than most separatist movements. That doesn't make it okay, but after the fact, it'd be hard for third parties to justify forcibly reuniting Crimeans with the Ukranian government they don't want to be under.




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