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So every car insurance and car rental company should be removed? After all, they all charge higher rates to young people irrespective of years actually driving. I mean, sure science says the human brain doesn't mature until mid 20s and sure young people have much higher rates of accidents. But, damn it, we should just wipe them all out anyway, right?



Im sure that people made the exact same arguments that you are making, regarding race and gender.

And it is just as bad.


It is my experience that when people resort to sarcasm they have lost the argument and can't face it.

But I'll address what you are saying:

Insurance can charge people without using ageism.

Before, insurers found that black people needed to pay more. After all, they were barbaric said the insurers. Then it became illegal.

Insurance companies still exist. Doing away with barbaric old practices is a good thing and as has happened when women got the right to vote, or civil rights, or other major positive reforms, the world continued on without falling apart.

It's sad that even in a rationalist place like hacker news, ageism is still something that can be openly admitted to. At least racists and sexists generally have to hide their ignorance if they don't want to be shunned by society.


>It is my experience that when people resort to sarcasm they have lost the argument and can't face it.

Or they understand that this site is in the end entertainment. Sarcasm makes it more fun for both the writer and the other readers.

You're projecting how much you care about this issue onto me. Reality is, I don't care about it much at all, it's a mild intellectual diversion to me. You're hurt by this, you're infuriated by this, you're driven by this. I'm not.


So 1 of 3:

1- Rational: Your original argument is flawed, you realize it and have changed but can't admit it 2- Irrational: You can't defend your argument since you haven't, but won't change 3- Plain Nasty: You are trolling.

I'm inclined to think 3, though most people don't use their real name when trolling.


Or 4. I don't care to argue those points because I find doing so to not be entertaining or insightful. I used to argue to the death and then I realized that in the end it brought neither joy nor enlightenment. So I don't anymore.

You're free to think you've won, I don't care. Although one piece of life advice for someone who seems to like arguing and seems to be good at it. People will often stop arguing with you because they find it tiring. You'll think you've won and pat yourself on the back. They'll think you didn't win. Instead they'll just think you're good at arguing (but still wrong), an a-hole and will dislike you silently from then on.

Normally I would have stopped responding by now but I find this side conversation insightful.


Every argument you have given has been in favor of discriminating against the young.

If you are intellectually honest you'd just admit that is your perspective. Or clarify.


Would you please not post in the flamewar style to HN? it's against the rules here, and we've had to ask you this already.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html




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