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Renters pay most of the cost of home ownership, with the added feature of being unable to control children’s schooling or meaningfully become part of a community.

Usually the argument against owning your home that is that inflation adjusted returns on real estate are not as attractive as investments in an index fund. In many, and I would argue most scenarios, that doesn’t really matter as the vast majority of people have minimal liquid net worth and renting eats up the cash flow that would allow them to accumulate wealth.

I bought my first and current home when I was 23 and refinanced to a shorter term. I bought near the 2006 peak and due to local market conditions have minimal capital gains, but in the near future will have no debt service costs whatsoever. That means the freedom to make less income, start a business, blow the money or accumulate cash or whatever.

Had I done the smart thing, I would have put 90% (or more, rents rose during the recession) of my current monthly mortgage obligation into rent. To the tune of $300k, allowing for fairly meager savings.

Now if I was sitting on a pile of cash that was a critical mass, and paying rent from my income cash flow, that’s different. But that is a much more rare situation.



> Renters pay most of the cost of home ownership, with the added feature of being unable to [...] meaningfully become part of a community.

Why can’t we become part of the community? I’ve been a renter for a decade now and I think I am more involved in my community via volunteering and local politics than the average person.

Further when I was a kid my single mom rented an apartment — during that time she worked to create a community at our apartment complex. When we moved there barely any one said “hi.” Now, almost a quarter century later she still keeps in touch with many of these old neighbors despite them being scattered all over the U.S.

Renting sucks, we both agree with that. But the trope about renters not caring about the community needs to go — it’s part of the reason apartments are illegal in the majority of California.


Most places in the US have minimal tenant rights. Leases are often 1 year and because of rental price floors geographic rents tend to not vary much.

Geography determines school placements, what little league your kid plays in, who your local representatives are, etc. I don’t mean to cast tenants in a bad light. It’s just hard to have deep roots if you have to move frequently.

The places that are exceptions have rent stabilization or weak markets. Rental markets always devolve into little geographical cartels where tenants have no leverage. But we live in an era where we pretend it’s a real market and dislike regulatory frameworks.


Someone like me is probably more common. You're the exception.

I've chased jobs for the last 15 years, moving to numerous states, several foreign countries, and for the last 8-9 years, about half a dozen different rental in the same metro area.

I have never been involved in my community, met neighbors, or gotten involved in really anything more than a cordial greetings to people I recognize.

I'd love to buy a house, but even the smallest condo in a decent area is $300k and as a contractor, I still have to often change work locations every year or more often. My commute might increase by an hour or more, each way, if I were unable to move close the work site.

I feel this is common for a lot of people these days, especially as marriage and especially children become less common. I have no incentive to be stuck in one place, and have done well to save a lot of money by being mobile and living frugally, without the trappings of typical suburban life.


"Fewer Americans are moving for work than ever"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/moving-for-work-getting-increas...


>Why can’t we become part of the community? I’ve been a renter for a decade now and I think I am more involved in my community via volunteering and local politics than the average person.

If the person who owns your house decided to sell it tomorrow, how much protection do you have? Here in the UK, I have effectively none.


I cant speak for the person yoh replied to but in NL it's almost impossible to evict someone.


Interesting. Over here, if the owner decides to sell, it is almost impossible to not be evicted.


In general there are renters rights and the lease contract survives a sale. When you buy a property you need to look at contracts in place and whether they are incompatible with your desired use.


As far as I am aware, if you are in an assured shorthold tenancy, as the majority of rented homes are in the UK, your new landlord can serve a court order under section 21 for a no-fault eviction.

On the other hand, if you are renting commercial property for a business and have negotiated a lease, then the lease contract holds.


In this context I was explaining the US system for many or most States. In California for example, a residential lease by statute survives a sale.


The standard form leases in my area allow the landlord to terminate upon conveyance to another party.


I am in California, not at all possible.


Any comparison of rent vs buy should be made by comparing interest+council rates/land tax paid to rent paid. You also need to be secure in the assumption that your house/land value will not drop. You also need to account for rises in rent. Changes in interest rates... all in all, it's more difficult than it sounds, and advice on this depends a lot on what your local property market is doing. In some places it can go either way.


People also are usually unable to make highly leveraged investments in index funds in the same way they are in houses.


not sure why you are being down voted, its true.

assume home prices go up 5% and the stock market goes up 7%.

If I want to buy a house for 100k and put 20k as a down-payment and live in the spot for 5 years, I can make 8051$ off the stock market (invest 20k) but my home would have appreciated 27k$.

sure there are some other factors, and maybe my numbers are not right, but I think it gets at what you were saying, an advantage of buying a home is you can make a leveraged investment.


in general, houses appreciate in value over time, but that doesn't mean your house will. leverage multiplies your exposure to the upside and the downside of an investment, and a single house is a much more volatile asset than SPY. imagine how much it would suck to be upside down on that $100k mortgage after five years.


You have to look at the cash flow side too. Your loss is offset on a comparison basis if you were paying rent.

You also are limited to losing everything you put in, while leveraged investments can lose more.




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