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How would you like that to have been addressed?

I think it's entirely reasonable for companies to have that option. "You are doing something malicious and against the rules, you have been permanently removed". In this case, that option was misused, but I don't think the existence of that possiblity is inheritly surprising.



Access to your data should never be denied. Ever. It was not DigitalOcean's data. If you are a hosting provider, you can't ever hold customer data hostage or deny them access to it in any way.


Again, I must disagree. If DO genuinely believed that you were doing something malicious and that data was harmful or evil for you to own (e.g. other people's SSN, etc) then they are in the "right" to deny access to it. DO should not be forced to aid bad actors.

And, regardless of what DO should or should not do, they can do whatever they want with their own hard drives. You should structure your business accordingly.


If DO believed that there was criminal activity (notice I am not using the word "malicious"), they should have reported it to the police, and it that case they might be justified in securing a copy of the data. Blocking access would be justified only in the most extreme cases (such as if the data could be harmful to others, e.g. pictures of minors).

If there is no police report, then they are trying to act as police themselves, which I think is unacceptable. It is not their data.

Your argument that they can do whatever they want with their hard drives is indeed something I will take care to remember — I definitely would not want to host anything with DO.


> If DO genuinely believed that you were doing something malicious and that data was harmful or evil for you to own (e.g. other people's SSN, etc) then they are in the "right" to deny access to it.

The observant will note the particular corner you're backing into here -- that a business might be justified in denying access to code/data being used in literally criminal behavior -- is notably distinct from the general and likely much more common case.

> they can do whatever they want with their own hard drives.

Sure. But to the extent they take that approach, Digital Ocean or any other service is publicly declaring that however affordable they may be for prototyping, they're unsuitable for reliable applications.

Businesses that can be relied on generally instead offer terms of service and processes that don't really allow them to act arbitrarily.


> ... a business might be justified in denying access to code/data being used in literally criminal behavior...

I agree. Look at the absolutism of the comment I am replying to. My whole point is that there might be some nuance to the situation.

> ...Digital Ocean or any other service is publicly declaring that however affordable they may be for prototyping, they're unsuitable for reliable applications.

Again, I agree. Considering how cheap AWS, backblaze, and Google drive is, it is completely ridiculous to depend on any one single hosting service to hold all your data forever and never err.


At no point did DO ever believe this. This happened purely and simply because of usage patterns changing. It was done automatically and a bot locked them out. They should not be locking out data based on an automated script.

You seem to be accusing the aggrieved party of being a bad actor, when that is not the case.


The change in usage patterns does not appear to be the only flag.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20066331


No, it was one of a number of factors. Usage pattern was definitely a factor. It’s still pretty awful.


For some practical, if extreme, examples: if a customer were to host a phishing site, or a site hosting CP, it would be grossly irresponsible (and likely even illegal) for the hosting provider to retain the customer's data after account suspension and allow them to download it.


When this happens they should contact law enforcement, not play god.


> they should contact law enforcement

And do what in the mean time? The legal system acts slowly. In the age of social media outrage, would you allow the headline "Digital Ocean knew they were serving criminals, and they didn't stop them" if you were CEO?

It's easy to be outraged when these systems and procedures are used against the innocent. That does not mean we should stop using rational thought. If someone is using DO to cause harm, then DO should (be allowed to) stop the harmful actions.


> Your account has been temporarily locked pending the result of an ongoing investigation.

You lock down the image, and let law enforcement do their thing. If law enforcement clear them, you then give the customer access to their data, perhaps for a short time before you cut them off as they seem to be a risky customer to have.

You don't unilaterally make the decision, you offload your responsibility onto the legal process.


I agree that this was probably the most reasonable decision for them to make.

The fact that there are hundreds of comments on HN condemning them for this action proves my point.


>would you allow the headline "Digital Ocean knew they were serving criminals, and they didn't stop them" if you were CEO?

Seems to work just fine for AWS, Google and Cloudflare. In fact, counter to your argument, Cloudflare got in massive shit when they did decide to play God.


Lol, only a judge has such rights (to decide if data is illegal or not), not some DO algorithms.


Exactly. Are all images of children illegal? I have a photo of me as an infant. What kind of algorithmic nonsense absolutism are they talking about?


Reasonable to have the shutdown part of the option, yes.

At the very least, they should also provide ALL, as in every last byte, of data, schemas, code, setup etc. to the defenestrated customers. As in: "sorry, we cannot restart your account, but you can download a full backup of your system as of it's last running configuration here: -location xyz-, and all previous backups are available here: -location pdq-".

Anything less is simply malicious destruction of a customer's property.

If you violate a lease and get evicted, they don't keep your furniture & equipment unless you abandon it.




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