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> obviously there is no expectation that each minute is recorded

Bingo! In practice, employees will just fill in whatever values are convenient. Nothing's going to change for an employee who was pressured (explicitly or implicitly) to work unpaid overtime – now they'll be pressured (explicitly or implicitly) to not track the time they're working after hours. It's just more bureaucracy for everyone, including for honest, fair employers.

And yes, I'm very bitter about this. Bureaucratic, ivory-tower decisions like this one are partly responsible for phenomenons like Brexit and the German AfD party, which in turn pose a danger to the prosperity and peace we enjoy in Europe.




Oh the "let's be sensible" argument...

Please do not follow this road. According to EU the main target of Russian disinformation campaign during current EU parlamentet elections is to spread the picture that EU is colapsing due to bureaucracy/corruption/incompetence/all power moving to Brussels/migration/Islam (select one depending on your target) while their country is solid as rock.

They have a ~1 billion Euro budget to spread that garbage this year. Please don't do their work for free.


So we can never argue about it because the russians might try to use it against us? I would rather know the EU has problems so I can get away in time.


If the EU has problems we can discuss those left and right. The difference between having problems and making them up is relevant here.


Not saying that.

But remember what I said next you see someone twisting a complex issue into "the sky is falling, why can't our politicians see it".


We have this in the US. 99.5% of values are collected by a computer and therefore recorded accurately.

I've never seen anyone clock in and out of a pee break people only clock in for the day out for lunch back from lunch and out to go home.

Employees are strongly encouraged not to put in made up values that happen to result in them being paid more money on pain of termination and or prosecution.

Employers are strongly encouraged on pain of getting sued not to put in made up values that don't reflect the work the employee actually did.

People STILL do cheat but having the legal expectation of maintaining an auditable record normalizes accurate time keeping and makes it hard for smaller fish to make targets by cheating as they have to actively forge records and encourage behavior that is obviously erroneous.

Think of being asked to help out with additional work after your shift vs being asked to explicitly clock out THEN get back to work. Its a clear and obvious line made explicit by time keeping practices.

Of course record keeping is necessary but not sufficient. You do have to be willing to enforce the law but this would be doubly hard with lax or non existent record keeping.

On the overall I cannot even imagine how this could be deemed onerous. On net someone that works 8 hours spends perhaps 1 minute clocking in and out. It could even happen via an app on the employees phone or at their computer.


> And yes, I'm very bitter about this. Bureaucratic, ivory-tower decisions like this one are partly responsible for phenomenons like Brexit and the German AfD party, which in turn pose a danger to the prosperity and peace we enjoy in Europe.

And yet time tracking most people want. This practice has 70% plus Support in Germany and Austria. From this I gather most workplaces are pretty horrible.


> And yet time tracking most people want. This practice has 70% plus Support in Germany and Austria.

Source, please? That number looks pretty specific, so I presume you have a statistic to back it up.




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