> there isn't much US government managed health care that is worth a damn, just ask veterans
This seems to be incorrect. The VA has problems that should be addressed, but it's still preferable to most veterans than any alternative, which is why they pushed back against Medicare for All's initial proposal to replace the VA with Medicare. Now it retains the VA. We've been in a bunch of silly wars for 18 years now producing a constant flow of new veterans, the VA needs beefing up to deal with that.
> when people outside the country keep lamenting the US doesn't have government provided healthcare they need to realize the examples we have are both horrible and many doubt that they have the capacity to not inflict the same shoddy care on the current system.
Most people are "lamenting" that the USA has, what is it now, 30 million people without access to health care? And has 30-40k deaths every year due to lack of access. The expectation is for universal coverage. Not coverage based on circumstance or wealth.
Most people on Medicare defend it regardless of where they sit on the political spectrum. It should be noted that Medicare isn't "government managed health care" it's a payer to private health care providers. The health care providers are still private and privately run, there's no government hospital and doctors don't work for the government. At the moment the popular opinion in the US is not asking for the government to take over all health care management in that way, but instead to provide everybody with access to healthcare by expanding the popular Medicare program to everyone.
This seems to be incorrect. The VA has problems that should be addressed, but it's still preferable to most veterans than any alternative, which is why they pushed back against Medicare for All's initial proposal to replace the VA with Medicare. Now it retains the VA. We've been in a bunch of silly wars for 18 years now producing a constant flow of new veterans, the VA needs beefing up to deal with that.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths...
> when people outside the country keep lamenting the US doesn't have government provided healthcare they need to realize the examples we have are both horrible and many doubt that they have the capacity to not inflict the same shoddy care on the current system.
Most people are "lamenting" that the USA has, what is it now, 30 million people without access to health care? And has 30-40k deaths every year due to lack of access. The expectation is for universal coverage. Not coverage based on circumstance or wealth.
Most people on Medicare defend it regardless of where they sit on the political spectrum. It should be noted that Medicare isn't "government managed health care" it's a payer to private health care providers. The health care providers are still private and privately run, there's no government hospital and doctors don't work for the government. At the moment the popular opinion in the US is not asking for the government to take over all health care management in that way, but instead to provide everybody with access to healthcare by expanding the popular Medicare program to everyone.