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Is there a practical example of a housing not being a commodity that results in favorable housing conditions?



Singapore is the closest success story I can think of.

Requirements: - be a citizen - get married

The government will then build a flat for you and hand you the keys 5 years later for about a fourth of the private market price.

Of course you need an economy that can pay for all this, so it won't be universally applicable


What do you do while unmarried or in the first 5 years?


You continue living with your family.


You conduct your relationships and the first few years of your marriage within earshot of your parents?


This seems cultural, and before the invention of privacy this was the norm.

EDIT: I thought that was a meme and it's not—i'm referring to the growth of the middle class and multi-room houses.


That's how the rest of the world does it, so, yes? Also note that pre-marital relationships are often not very common.


The alternative is a market based housing market such as another city state has: Hong Kong.

I think everyone in Hong Kong would happily live with their parents for 5 years if it means they can buy their own flat afterwards.


I do not, but I know for sure commodifying housing doesn’t create favorable housing conditions.


So if we look at places in the US with more favorable housing conditions, we should find housing allocation done primarily by the state?


Where do you claim there are favorable conditions? As far as I am aware the homeless are everywhere; some places are simply impossible to live without shelter due to exposure.


Housing affordability and degree of government involvement are both on a spectrum; you don't need extremes to see if there is a relationship or which way it runs.


Affordable housing is code for unaffordable housing. Otherwise it'd just be housing. You're very correct it's on a spectrum—we're between being entirely homeless and entirely housed. Only one end of that spectrum is acceptable. Housing should be free to use (obviously not free to build and maintain). Everyone needs it, and we all have incentive to reduce costs—except landlords.


>Only one end of that spectrum is acceptable

Which makes it all the more important that you correctly identify and apply the mechanisms that push a place towards one end or the other.

>Everyone needs it, and we all have incentive to reduce costs—except landlords.

64% of housing units are owner-occupied [0]. These households are not landlords, yet they are incentivized to raise property values.

[0] https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/VET605217


Right, so the market is what makes housing unaffordable. Making housing a guaranteed human right will make it entirely affordable—at least on the end of using it. Housing is entirely a cost that should be amortized over those able to afford and/or build it.


In socialist countries. In the Soviet Union, rent was 2% of take home pay. Many of these countries started out poor, so the housing quality may have been commeasurate with the development of the country. In the US, as a material issue, we could easily provide decent affordable housing to everyone by destroying the market and having the public march in and build.

One system that is being tried in some region in China is you buy your house from the government and sell it back. This keeps things democratic and market free. Landlords should be cast into the dustbin of history.


We have, I believe, about 3x the empty units as we have homeless people in this country. Sure there are distribution issues, but it’s a matter of political will.


Political will to redistribute the people? You must know that that's how it worked/works in socialist countries. You still need a permit in China to move to another city, AFAIK.


People will move if you offer them somewhere to live. What's needed is political will to use the housing and make the offer.




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