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> Historically, when it's done by force, it doesn't work so well for the rest of society in the long term, either.

The French Revolution seems to have worked out reasonably well in the long term; the short-to-intermediate term, perhaps not as much.



The French Revolution seems to have worked out reasonably well in the long term

Because the system that's currently in place is quite different from what came just after the revolution. In any case, a period of such terror remains indelibly in history forever, as it should. No moral person should want to create another. As far as I can tell, only angry and embittered people want that.


> No moral person should want to create another

Sure, just like no moral person wants war. (But yet some moral people find engaging in war preferable to the available alternatives in some circumstances.)

OTOH, the thing is no moral person wants (or wants to continue) the conditions of oppression that invariably precede such revolutions either. Sometimes the choice is between morally bad and morally worse, and one's perception of which is which depends very much which side of the palace gates one lives on.

> As far as I can tell, only angry and embittered people want that.

Which seems to be an argument against creating the conditions which generate that particular kind of angry and bitter people, out of either self-interest or the moral desire to avoid the results it produces.


Which seems to be an argument against creating the conditions which generate that particular kind of angry and bitter people, out of either self-interest or the moral desire to avoid the results it produces.

Which is precisely why the wealthy need to be voluntarily building up society, such that the fabulous potential of the world in 2019 is available to everyone, in the form of a noble, everywoman/everyman life.




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