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Honestly I'm surprised that a military ordinance page is so clean and straight forward. It also feels a little strange to see marketing material for military weapons.



In ~1992/93 I lived in Reno Nevada. Around the corner from my house was a gun store, owned by this Chinese guy. I liked guns and military stuff (my brother is Colonel in USAF) and so I would go in there quite frequently. And I was on friendly terms with the owner...

He had a huge cannon that you could pay him $500 to drive out into the desert and shoot [0]

I was 17, it was early 90s and Nevada. He had just imported two shipping containers of new (mfr date 1968) Chinese made SKS rifles and was having a special on them, $99.

I bought one - and was talking to the guy and he pulled out a three ring binder and said "want to see what that can do?"

And he opened it up and he had effectively a catalog of pictures of the fatal wounds various weapon rounds would cause. (pictures of dead people)

I was deeply disturbed. I never went back in there...

(He also offered to sell me claymore mines which he had up on the top shelf all around the store... [THIS SIDE TOWARD ENEMY])

[0] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/61-K_Aut...


This reminds me of the time I stopped in a knife store off the highway while on a road trip in perhaps Arizona or New Mexico. The shopkeeper approached me and asked if there was anything he could help me find. I jokingly said something like "whattya got that can kill a man?" Without missing a beat and completely deadpan he said, "Oh, you'll want to look at these over here," while leading me to a large case of butterfly knives. I couldn't tell if he was playing along with my joke or not, kinda spooked me.


what's your expectations from guns exactly then?


I didnt mean it like that - I enjoy guns, and knowing how to use them, be safe with them etc...

But pre-internet, actual printed out physical pictures which were developed in a 3-ring binder to a 17-year-old in 1992 was a disturbing dose of reality.


The vast, overwhelming majority of guns in the US are bought for target shooting or hunting, and will never be fired at a human target. So I can totally see feeling blindsided by this.


ironically how there are guns designed exactly for target shooting, for example, the models used by Olympic shooters are even cheaper than some rifles, yet all the people with a gun hobby will promptly ignore those and buy the ones specifically designed to kill people instead, while claiming the killing purpose of gun means nothing to them. sounds like the reasoning of someone buying a yellow hummer because they need a minivan.


To use the car analogy, a lot of people buy cars that are fun to drive. They aren't buying said cars to run people over with.


I think we need tighter gun control in the US, but I really wish people would stop acting like literally anyone who owns a gun is a dangerous maniac. It's childish and not constructive.


And I wish gun owners would stop ending conversations about gun control by threatening to put me and mine against the wall when the revolution comes.

Both sides could stand a dose of empathy and common sense. Its true that not all gun owners are dangerous maniacs, but guns are dangerous and a lot of them are used in crimes by irresponsible people. It's also true that not all advocates for gun control are neo-communists who just want to confiscate all guns and put Christians into camps.

Gun policy should just be a public safety issue, but politics and the catch-22 nature of the 2nd Amendment have turned it into an intractable religious war.


Who the hell are you arguing with that makes that kind of threat?! I definitely haven't seen conversations turn to anything like that around here.


Check out the big weapons expos like IDEX in Abu Dhabi, or SOFEX in Jordan. Full of glitzy polished consumer-oriented display booths showing off the most advanced and modern ways to kill people and fuck shit up.

Watch high-level military officials and politicians from despotic oil-world countries shopping for weapons like suburban husbands shopping for patio furniture at a home and garden show. Displays and sales pitches tuned to key in on bogey-men-du-jour. Worried by Iraninan-sponsored insurgency? We've got Just. The. Thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL_3Qg-SADY

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wdjypy/sofex-the-business...


True. I've been to a few and its surreal.

The other weird site that is how much money is spent on crap, that's clearly crap.

Even with my fairly limited military experience, it's easy to walk around a show and see so much expensive junk you know that a government will pay waaayy too much money for and some soldier will get stung with. Everything from cheaply made webbing that would fall apart in seconds, CBRN kit I wouldn't wear to a pub incase Guinness farts accidentally dissolved it, useless ballistic protection, overly elaborate radio systems that don't work, good awful weapons that jam even completely clean w/o rounds in them testing at a show...you name it. So much military crapware out there


LOL, fascinating. Normally I frown on scammy purveyors of overpriced shit, but in this case I'm all in favor of it.


Ride the DC Metro, especially around the Pentagon, and you’ll see lots of ads for various military hardware. It’s always a bit surreal seeing a poster advertising a stealth destroyer or a fighter jet.


I was almost expecting to scroll down and see product reviews.


You'd be surprised how much stuff you can find. Google just about any weapons system using the right terminology and you'll be greeted with brochures and high level datasheets galore.


Perhaps you will enjoy this infomercial for the Bofors 3P round:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wewaCdSW4yc


"Tired of Sticky Infantry Concentrations Clogging The Movement of Your M1 Abrams Tank?"


TANK COMMANDER (looking exasperated): “There’s Got to Be a Better Way!”


(opens a wooden cabinet inside the tank and a bunch of miniature soldiers, too many to fit in the cabinet, fall out on his face)


Surprised? You shouldn't be, it's a big business/industry and it's legal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Companies_by_arms_sales




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