Ziggo (Liberty Global) gives a good bang for the buck if you look at the speed you get versus what you pay for. They give either native IPv4 or native IPv6, not dual stack. They're a big multinational with a rather terrible helpdesk (compared to Xs4all; not compared to KPN I guess). I mean you could even phone Xs4all's helpdesk and ask them basically any technical question you had. Ziggo don't give Usenet access anymore. They don't give shell access. However you can put their modem in bridge mode, and you don't have to play around with VLANs because DVB-C gives you the TV signal.