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The tone of the article is surprisingly hostile. Maybe I'm just used to Canadian media.



American culture has shifted in the last decade to be extremely critical and scathing towards anyone or anything that attempts to change the status quo - even if it's an attempt to make things better.

See all the negative comments in this thread, for example.

Instead saying "Jeez, this looks interesting. I'm happy some billionaire is trying to fix the horrible traffic problem instead of just buying more McMansions and yatchs. It seems complicated and I'm not sure it will work because of reason x, y and z, but it will be cool to watch!"

The collective American voice is now: "Stupid! Will never work! Waste of time!". (And angrily at that)

It's a real shame, because people who genuinely try to make life better for others are rare, and America needs all of them they can get!


Not just last decade, the 70s were a real pivot point in the American attitude towards technology and science as a large cultural shift towards mistrusting power and the market.

Watching science newsreels from the 40s-60s you notice that they're the epitome of boundless optimism.


Elon Musk is hardly starved of hero-worshippers


Sure, but what percentage of the US population do you think hero-worship him vs. what percentage hate his guts?

5/95?

1/99?


I've not seen anything that would suggest either ratio.


So what's your guess?


Opinion about Elon Musk seems to be polarized in places like HN. Haven't heard of normal people caring substantively about him, certainly not in a way describable as "hating his guts".


It would be just that, a guess, and a particularly bad one since I'm not in the US anyway.


It felt a bit persnickety - focusing on some minor details of the event that weren’t perfect, probably as a proxy for author’s larger skepticism. Skepticism is warranted given the big claims & article wasn’t too bad overall.


Some journalists have become openly cynical about Musk, probably now that so many promises have failed to materialize.


He may have delays, but what have he failed to deliver? Everything is either work in progress or delivered.

- internet payment platform, check

- first privately founded company to do orbital launch, check

- reusable cheap rockets, check

- biggest rocket available + it's reusable, check

- Dragon spacecraft, check

- crew spacecraft, check (still needs testing, starting early next year)

- Model S, check

- Model X, check

- Model 3, check (work in progress on 35 000$ version)

- Boring Tunnel, check (work in progress on scaling up)

- Starlink, check (test satellites are flying over your head, work in progress on full deploy)

- Big Falcon Rocket, work in progress


Some people have a hard time keeping relative and absolutes apart. There are lots of people, even on this site who often claim that he is 'not even an engineer'.

People emotions simply get the better of them in situation that are so public, every little detail gets blown out of proportion in either direction.

The plain fact that he controls and builds multiple US based billion dollar companies seems to get lots AT THE VERY MOMENT when US based manufacturing has been on of the prime political debates is astonishing for me as an outsider.


I'm a Musk fan, but literally 90%+ of the things Musk say never actually happen, or happen very late, or have so radically changed in the process as to be something different. You're just quoting the successes, not all the things that he's claimed to be working on in the history of his career.

I suspect one of the reasons journalists are so unfairly critical of him is that the story keeps changing. As an engineer I know this is because he is adapting to circumstance and the reality is that we ought be thankful that he is showing us early glimpses at all. But a journalist looks at that and says "wtf? if I report on this then it's my credibility on the line when next year it's morphed into something else."


These 'journalists' are the ones who make a choice to comment and report on him. If they want to report news that is known and understood by everybody to be a best case, its their own fault.

Musk is interesting in the first place because he is not a typical boring CEO. So they want to use him as clickbait, but then they get shitty if its not 'polished' like what they get sent from the PR departments of other companies.


> - first privately founded company to do orbital launch, check

To be fair, if you gave me ~$6bn from the Government, I could probably have a bloody good go at it too.

> - internet payment platform, check

Sure, he created x.com but who ever heard of that?


You mentioned the $35k Model 3, which I think is the worst since so many deposits were collected on this promise. This spring it will be 3 years since those deposits were collected, including mine (since refunded at about the 2-year anniversary). He also keeps pushing back the timeline for deposit holders. It has been 3-6 months away for over a year now. And there are anecdotes (which I know aren't data) of difficulty lately getting deposits refunded.

Other things:

Battery swap - https://www.tesla.com/videos/battery-swap-event (interestingly, NIO in China has this approach working).

Coast to coast autonomous drive by 2018: https://futurism.com/elon-musk-teslas-autonomous-car-will-dr...

FSD (Full Self Driving) option in general is looking like vaporware. I'm wondering if Tesla is going to need to refund the money people paid for that option. It's no longer offered.

Here's the latest promise, about Summon mode with Tesla: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1057871356367269888

It was promised for ~6 weeks, ~6 weeks ago. So that should be out any day now, right?

He was also going to fix Flint's drinking water. To his credit, he recently made a charitable donation instead, but it was originally phrased as engineering help.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/12/elon-musk-fl...

And of course there's the whole Thai cave torpedo thing which was just... weird.

Edit: oh can't believe I forgot the solar roof. That one is perhaps the closest to outright fraud, since it was unveiled on a Hollywood set with FAKE shingles! https://mansionengineer.com/2018/08/10/elon-musk-tesla-and-t...

I get that we want people like Musk to push boundaries, but I think it's a fine line between what Musk does versus The Simpsons monorail guy.


I think it has more to do with musk's criticism of journalists that sparked the hate they have for him.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/999374720368689153

Earlier this year, the media put out hit piece after hit piece on musk after musk criticized them. Seems like years ago though.


It felt completely neutral to me. Admittedly, the reporter didn't genuflect before the altar of Elon, which some of his fans might interpret as implicit hostility.


I suppose finally reading something that isn't native content can be surprising.




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