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I would think most peoples ideal is to live in healthy natural commmunities with a diverse age range to get wisdom and tradition from the old and energy and new ideas from the young.



Re: the relationship between age and wisdom, you may find this paper interesting: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1080/016502599383739...


For wisdom, there is books. Old people does not equal wisdom. Quite the opposite sometime. I feel like we give too much credit to old people and what they have to say.


What's so special about tradition? Just because something has been done many times in the past doesn't mean that it's useful, worthwhile, or right.


Well, tradition is typically things that have been successful many times in the past!

The hard part is to recognize if the reasons for the previous success still apply in the modern world. See "Chesterton's Fence".


The tricky part is distinguishing between things that are successful and things that just haven't obviously failed. Tradition might not always be the best of all possible guides here, as it tends to be a collection of things whose primary commendation is that they didn't immediately cause a society to fail.


> [tradition] tends to be a collection of things whose primary commendation is that they didn't immediately cause a society to fail.

Not at all. Traditions become traditions over long periods of time. Thus, they tend to be collections of things that haven't caused a societal failure in the last several hundred years, which is a much better record than not causing immediate failure.


I have a friend who rarely uses crosswalks. He tends to walk into traffic while shouting "Plot armor!". He has yet to be run over, so this has an excellent track record. Yet I suspect it just might be other than the greatest of all possible ideas, despite the lack of demonstrated failures.

(Yes, this is absurd. Yes, I've told him this is clearly a bad idea. Yes, it's actually true.)

Which is to say one should be cautious of survivorship biases and the role of context. Judging traditions as successful based on a limited context where they haven't obviously failed both ignores the situation upon which they may depend and other scenarios where precisely those might have failed. Like the other people who have tried what my friend has and been rendered into chunky salsa for it.


this story is hilarious and infuriating at the same time, I hope no other people will get hurt because of that bs.


Traditions provide community cohesion. They're an expression of shared values that create emotional bonds so your neighbours don't cheat you and vice versa. They are highly adaptive, because if they weren't, they wouldn't appear in literally every human civilisation, ever.

So yes, traditions are typically worthwhile, just not necessarily for their apparent or stated purposes.


The community cohesion aspect is very well described in this article of Nicholas Taleb "How to be Rational about Rationality", especially with regards to the Jewish communities:

    ... Jews have close to five hundred different dietary interdicts. They may seem irrational
    to an observer who sees purpose in things and defines rationality in terms of what he can 
    explain. ...

    But it remains that whatever the purpose, the Kashrut survived approximately three millennia not 
    because of its “rationality” but because the populations that followed it survived. It 
    most certainly brought cohesion: people who eat together hang together. Simply it aided 
    those that survived because it is a convex heuristic. Such group cohesion might be also 
    responsible for trust in commercial transactions with remote members of the community.
https://medium.com/incerto/how-to-be-rational-about-rational...


You are correct.

Though things that are harmful without benefit tend to die out over time.

So while tradition doesn't make something magically useful, many traditional things are useful, often in unobvious ways. Of course, many do not...


It’s the best heuristic for those things though. Read antifragile by taleb


When you're 55 you'll rapidly lose interest in what other people think is ideal.




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