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Infections in the facial area can indeed be quite serious:

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/10674/can-poppi...




On that note, a warning:

Do NOT pluck your eyelashes or nose hairs, ever!! These hair roots can cause the trigeminal nerve to become infected which can then lead to meningitis/brain infection and ultimately retardism/coma/death.

Trim if you must -- and do not use a powered trimmer either! The so called "no-pull" nose hair trimmers still cut too short or pull hairs anyways, leading to infection.

Solution: just use mini cat nail scissors. They are actually perfect shape and size to cleave nose hairs at a good length without risk of infection.

If you appreciate quality Japanese craftsmanship that will last a lifetime, I recommend Cattyman. My cats and my nose swear by them. And it's the only brand we carry at the shelter that I volunteer at. [1]

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Source: I am a med student and graduated with honors in Biomedical Sciences


> These hair roots can cause the trigeminal nerve to become infected which can then lead to meningitis/brain infection and ultimately retardism/coma/death.

Huh, that's alarming. Do you have any citations handy about the total relevant risk? Thanks.


This article explains the risks well and provides references at the bottom.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_triangle_of_the_face


Hm... I've seen this claim and the related claim that popping pimples in that area can cause fatal infections several times.

My first note is that I've never seen someone claim trigeminal nerve infection is the mechanism, and indeed trigeminal nerve infections appear to be exceedingly rare and not directly life-threatening. The relevant disorder would be trigeminal neuralgia, which causes severe and lasting pain, but is almost always a product of compression, inflammation, or demyelination of the nerve. I can't find any record of infection as a cause, only some hypothesizing that atypical forms of the disease might be based on infection. The only major connection I can find between hairplucking and that nerve is the claim that it's responsible for the sneezing reflex many people have when nose hairs are pulled.

As for "can plucking nose hairs kill you?" That's a bit more credible.

The mechanism here isn't nerve infection, it's infection of the veins in the area, which have unusually direct connections to the cavernous sinus and brain. This can lead to meningitis, brain abscesses, and disabling/fatal bloodclots, so I suspect it's the same thing described above. (It's worth noting that normal "sinus infections" can also have the same effect, but the direct bloodflow connection here threatens much faster escalation than normal sinusitis.)

On to rates, then. Meningitis, brain abscess, and cavernous sinus thrombosis (a blood clot in the cavernous sinus) are all exceedingly dangerous, so let's just worry about the rate of getting there.

The base rate of cavernous venous thrombosis is ~1 per 100,000 per year, mostly occurring alongside other major facial infections. Without strong reason to expect that you have heightened risk, it's largely irrelevant.

A 1937 study found that 61% of cases of cavernous sinus thrombosis (which is extremely dangerous) were a product of upper-face boils. Modern rates appear to be closer to 50% of cases, probably down to a mixture of dental surgery causing new cases and antibiotics preventing nasal-infection cases. (A venous infection progressing straight to brain abscess or meningitis appears to be possible, but unlikely without an intermediate infected-sinus stage.) Boils around the middle of the face are viewed as deserving prompt intervention to avoid this outcome.

Unfortunately, there's no clear data on how many of those cases were the result of hair-plucking. Staph infection can lead to boils at any irritated skin site, and are indeed the infectious agent in 70% of thrombosis cases. But severe boils are vastly more common in patients with specific risk factors (family history, immunosuppression, certain disease). Indeed most people who pluck hair never seem to develop boils. (N.b. boils are not the same as 'clean' inflammations from trapped hairs.) At-risk patients are also in far more danger from boils, since they face risks like immunosuppression and frequent treatment leading to drug resistance. One-time cases in healthy patients can be treated simply and effectively with antibiotics, steroids, and lancing.

So: plucking can lead to boils, and boils can lead to thrombosis, and thrombosis can lead to death. But any major infection from plucking appears to come after a noticeable period of surface infection at the site (i.e. a boil). Simple one-off boils are extremely treatable in the presence of modern antibiotics, so the risk can be arrested almost completely at that point as long as you seek prompt medical treatment. (Go to the doctor if you have a boil anywhere anyway, because they rarely heal without treatment.)

As far as I can tell, this is one of those risks which is discussed because it's interesting and logical more than because it actually hurts anyone. "Don't pluck nose hairs" does not seem to be an important precaution unless you have other major risk factors like HIV or a drug-resistant staph infection.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_triangle_of_the_face

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK448177/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1390530/


Also: I think it would be useful if you were to take this analysis and add it to the relevant wikpedia page that you cited: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_triangle_of_the_face It does say "While the disorder has become extremely uncommon with the development of antibiotics, it still carries a very small chance to develop a high risk of death..." but I don't think that does justice to the minuscule risk involved.


Well, this is pretty great analysis, thank you. My only suggestion is to put your last paragraph, the summary, right at the top so people are more likely to stop being afraid of this stuff. (:


Cheers, that's a good point. Too late to edit, but I tossed the summary in a followup comment.

Not sure how far I can go with Wikipedia, since I think even "I multiplied numbers from three sources together" is original research. Adding the annual frequency of the disease ought to be fair game though, and that's probably the most important part.


Following a suggestion, the tl;dr:

This gets discussed because it's interesting, not because it actually hurts anyone. "Don't pluck nose hairs" does not seem to be an important precaution unless you have major risk factors like uncontrolled AIDS or a drug-resistant staph infection. Otherwise, go to your doctor promptly if something seems infected and you'll be fine.


Thank you for the info.

On a related subject, do you know anything about the benefits and/or dangers of nose/sinus irrigation?

A few years ago I solved my life-long struggle with chronic sinusitis, rhinitis, and other assorted nasal issues, by washing my sinuses during my daily shower, with warm saline solution.

To anybody who might have bad memories of going to the swimming pool, no, it doesn't hurt at all, if the solution is warm and slightly hypertonic.

I use a plastic Neti pot that I fill with hot water from the shower, to which I add common sea salt with the provided measuring spoon. I rinse from one nostril to the other and vice versa. Then, with my nose full of water and my nostrils closed, I bend 180º upside down and apply very gentle negative/positive pressure to the water with my breath, to wash the upper sinuses. Then blow it all out and repeat a couple times.

The upside-down procedure was key to curing my long-term sinusitis years ago. I had been doing the procedure for a few days, when I saw a tiny glob of stuff wash away from my nose's upper sinuses and felt the unholy stench of anaerobic bacteria. From that day on, I stopped having weekly common colds and other issues (that the doctors couldn't cure even with antibiotics.) So it was definitely a good procedure and I kept doing it every day.

But recently I've read about possible dangers with nose irrigation, how one is supposed to boil the water before using it and change the Neti pot regularly.

Is there any truth to these fears? Should I go to the—admittedly—troublesome step of boiling and cooling the water I intend to use, instead of taking it from the shower?

And if so, are there any tests I would be advised to perform, to make sure I didn't contract anything by my simple washing method?


There is a decent guide by the FDA here:

https://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm316375.h...

You might have heard about certain amoebas being a risk of dipping ones head underwater in warmer bodies of fresh water:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naegleria_fowleri

You probably won't find Naegleria fowleri in your common tap but there are a host of other protozoans and bacteria that can be dangerous to your health.

Contrary to common belief, they probably won't kill you right away - and may not even cause an infection. But you are taking a risk and taxing your body's immune system and that particular area's sensitivity and inflammatory response. It's really not worth the risk considering the price of generic, sanitized, saline bottles that are less than a few dollars a gallon.

The risk is small but it could end you due to the area we are discussing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_triangle_of_the_face

I used aerosol saline sprays after I had deviated septum correction surgery. They are pressurized so there's no risk of internal contents becoming contaminated. This alone is worth the peace of mind. Plus the pressure helps in a way a normal neti pot or drip system cannot.

I used large Neilmed bottles from Walmart but I did a quick search for you and found a 3-pack of Arm n Hammer saline aerosol for $12 which seems to be a solid price: https://amzn.to/2RMiseS

Hope this helps. Good luck with your health, take care of yourself!


I replaced my irrigation device with a new one and now I'm only using water that has been boiled for 5 minutes in a brand new kettle and cooled down.

I'm also considering using specific salt packets instead of common salt.

Thanks again for the info.


I use boiled water for nasal irrigation.


Are eyebrows okay to pluck? I don't ever see myself plucking my eye lashes, but the brows are more common.


Eyebrows are fine to wax, pluck, trim, do anything etc..

It's just eyelashes and nostril/nose hair that are prone to infection.

Source: I am a med student and graduated with honors in Biomedical Sciences




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