>This is simply not true. We have had a trade deficit with canada for decades.
A goods trade deficit, almost entirely courtesy of oil imports (strangely no oil tariffs have been announced, though...). When you add services it has been a wash to a US surplus for many years.
The dairy thing is simply incredible -- the US sells 3x more dairy to Canada than the reverse, and that is the whole point of supply management (that it only produces enough for domestic demand). Somehow the clueless hordes have been raised into a mob by some guy talking about tariffs in a market that they already win. And if Canada drops supply management, the US would need to drop the massive agricultural subsidies and we know there is zero chance of that.
>Bernie Sanders was popular for being anti-NAFTA.
Virtually the entirety of anti-NAFTA sentiment was anti-Mexico sentiment. It's actually a bit amazing how Trump's supporters have been swayed into being anti-Canadian. It's remarkable. Mexico will still have a $100B surplus, China a $500B surplus, but rah rah rah something about dairy.
Further, I said the Canadian side in quotes -- they're aren't pro-Canada, they're pro good relationships, fair trade, not trying to win some cheap concession now for personal power, realize that trade is not zero-sum, etc. In any rational analysis, Trump's behavior is boorish, self-destructive, profoundly ignorant and motivated entirely by ego and not the best actions for the US.
>If that was the case, why did mexico just agree to a trade deal with Trump?
How is that a counter-point? But Mexico "agreed" because they got almost everything they wanted out of it. Trump, and his sad jealousy of Trudeau, made him refocus on Canada, and Mexico (with a closing on $100B trade surplus) got to laugh to the bank. Of course they'd sign that.
> A goods trade deficit, almost entirely courtesy of oil imports (strangely no oil tariffs have been announced, though...). When you add services it has been a wash to a US surplus for many years.
I guess, but goods trade deficit is still a goods trade deficit. Isn't that what trump was complaining about?
> Virtually the entirety of anti-NAFTA sentiment was anti-Mexico sentiment.
No. It was also anti-canada. Especially with the midwest states. Bernie Sanders had a lot of support in the north and midwest states amongst democrats because he targeted canada.
> It's actually a bit amazing how Trump's supporters have been swayed into being anti-Canadian. It's remarkable.
It's remarkable how trump and hillary supporters are so easily swayed. That's why I said people should stop being emotionally manipulated by cable news.
> How is that a counter-point?
If trump's president is unraveling, don't you think mexico and south korea would have just waited it out?
> But Mexico "agreed" because they got almost everything they wanted out of it.
That doesn't make any sense. Mexico didn't want to renegotiate. They had nothing they wanted. Mexico and canada specifically said NAFTA was perfect the way it was and that they would never renegotiate.
> Of course they'd sign that.
Sign something they never wanted to sign? What about south korea? Did they also get a good deal?
Using your logic, why didn't mexico, canada and south korea demand to renegotiate so that they can get "good deals"?
Since mexico got a good deal, should we praise trump for helping mexico? Does that make Trump a generous person? Or do we have twist everything trump does to further an agenda? Or is it possible to look at things objectively or rationally?
But one thing we can agree on is how the trump supporters and also his detractors are so emotionally swayed. Wish everyone would just stay away from cable news. It's just as bad as facebook.
> I guess, but goods trade deficit is still a goods trade deficit. Isn't that what trump was complaining about?
He also has a bit of a habit of saying disputable or incorrect things. I think he should keep away from cable news too. ;)
The ”trade deficit” numbers vary a lot depending on who you talk to. The US will send an unprocessed product from Mexico and declare it as a US export, while Canada will tally it as being from Mexico. This often leads to big differences reported between the two countries when it comes to goods. [1][2]
If you are going to get emotional and throw insults around then I'm not going to continue this discussion with you.
My advice is to stop watching so much cable news and stop getting so emotionally invested in nothing. Trump is not going to be president in 2 or at most 6 years. Life will go on. Your insults and rants only serve to make trump look better in comparison. So if you are really against trump, go outside and enjoy the labor day weekend. I'll do the same. Have a nice day.
A goods trade deficit, almost entirely courtesy of oil imports (strangely no oil tariffs have been announced, though...). When you add services it has been a wash to a US surplus for many years.
The dairy thing is simply incredible -- the US sells 3x more dairy to Canada than the reverse, and that is the whole point of supply management (that it only produces enough for domestic demand). Somehow the clueless hordes have been raised into a mob by some guy talking about tariffs in a market that they already win. And if Canada drops supply management, the US would need to drop the massive agricultural subsidies and we know there is zero chance of that.
>Bernie Sanders was popular for being anti-NAFTA.
Virtually the entirety of anti-NAFTA sentiment was anti-Mexico sentiment. It's actually a bit amazing how Trump's supporters have been swayed into being anti-Canadian. It's remarkable. Mexico will still have a $100B surplus, China a $500B surplus, but rah rah rah something about dairy.
Further, I said the Canadian side in quotes -- they're aren't pro-Canada, they're pro good relationships, fair trade, not trying to win some cheap concession now for personal power, realize that trade is not zero-sum, etc. In any rational analysis, Trump's behavior is boorish, self-destructive, profoundly ignorant and motivated entirely by ego and not the best actions for the US.
>If that was the case, why did mexico just agree to a trade deal with Trump?
How is that a counter-point? But Mexico "agreed" because they got almost everything they wanted out of it. Trump, and his sad jealousy of Trudeau, made him refocus on Canada, and Mexico (with a closing on $100B trade surplus) got to laugh to the bank. Of course they'd sign that.