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This is FUD. One of wlroots core goals from day one has been to promote the standardization of cross-desktop protocols that allow for these features. We have already addressed two of the points you brought up, namely screenshots and screen casting, via these protocols:

https://github.com/swaywm/wlr-protocols/blob/master/unstable...

https://github.com/swaywm/wlr-protocols/blob/master/unstable...

There are several more protocols we have written and are working on to address similar concerns: https://github.com/swaywm/wlr-protocols/issues

3 delegates from wlroots, including myself, who together represent 8 distinct Wayland compositors, are joining 3 delegates from KDE at XDC 2018 to discuss the standardization of these protocols and propose them for integration across the whole ecosystem.




After 9 years there is not even anything close to a universal standard and discussion across compositors has just started this year. That's embarrassing.


There's already been universal standards under discussion for a long time, for example xdg-shell for application windows. The recent discussions are attempting to make more standards, and has been going on for 2 or 3 years now. This is a lot of work, we're replacing the X11 stack which has a legacy going back over 20 years.


>xdg-shell for application windows.

Which is implemented by literally who? I can see a GNOME mutter commit but can't find anyone else from a few minutes of googling.

Also: "As of June 2014, XDG-Shell protocol was not versioned and still prone to changes. "[1]

Who else loves to build software atop unstable APIs?

>The recent discussions are attempting to make more standards, and has been going on for 2 or 3 years now.

These should've been going on since the begin, really makes you think what kind of intent the Wayland founders had. Wayland is being pushed as the future and there still isn't even a way to have a universal fucking screenshotter, I guess it's a security feature to be locked out of your own desktop, right?

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_(display_server_protoc...


>[xdg-shell] is implemented by literally who?

Uh... everyone. Mutter, Kwin, qwayland, wlroots, wlc, Sway, waymonad, Way Cooler, Weston, Enlightenment, and Mir all support it, as well as clients like GTK+, Qt, GLFW, SDL, EFL...

Look, you don't have to use Wayland. No one has said it's done, and Xorg still works fine. If it doesn't support everything you need, then it's not for you, no big deal.


>No one has said it's done, and Xorg still works fine.

Not when apps will exclusively choose to support it.


Well, woe is you then.


Kinda have to agree here. Wayland is clearly the way forward for Linux desktop, but it's still at least 10 years behind WDDM, and Linux desktop people have maintained their love of needless fragmentation so I doubt it will ever catch up.




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