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Oldest domains in the .com, .net, and .org TLDs (cambus.net)
276 points by fcambus on June 26, 2018 | hide | past | favorite | 133 comments



I worked for bbn.com back in the mid 2000's before they went out of business. BBN employed some of the smartest people I've ever worked with, but the company couldn't figure out how to keep the business relationships going. I remember having a conversation with my colleague saying "How does a company that invents the internet go out of business?"

I was eventually laid off along with about 30% of the company. I saw people who worked there for 18 years brought to tears because BBN was all they knew. My key take away was that experience was that no matter how impactful your tech company is on society, leadership's vision really determines the trajectory.


I started at BBN a few years before that, a month before the sale to GTE. It was a shame, they definitely had some tremendously bright people.

I also have on a couple of occasions worked at Eli Lilly, who had a class A because they were early to the Internet; I found it vaguely humorous that between BBN and Lilly I'd worked on more class A networks than most people would ever have the opportunity to.


192.* and 127.* work just fine ;)


192.168.* is only a 16bit rfc-1918 allocation. Perhaps you meant 10.* ?


Do you have a black rocket?


Top 20:

symbolics.com - Still exists

bbn.com - Redirects to raytheon.com

think.com - Dead

mcc.com - Redirects to thecryptogenius.com (sometimes, not sure what's going on with it)

dec.com - Redirects to paulkocher.com

northrop.com - Dead

xerox.com - Alive, Xerox website

sri.com - Alive

hp.com - Alive, HP website

bellcore.com - Dead

ibm.com - Alive, IBM website

sun.com - Alive, sun website (oracle.com)

intel.com - Alive, intel website

ti.com - Alive, Texas Instruments

att.com - Alive, ATT

gmr.com - Dead

tek.com - Alive, Tektronix website

fmc.com - Alive, FMC website

ub.com - Alive, United Bitcoin website

bell-atl.com - Dead


Sad to see the current state of http://symbolics.com/ with a big "as seen on" section and all those social sharing buttons. It's like updating a historical center with shag carpeting and lava lamps.


The fourth IETF proceedings (back when the Internet Engineering Task Force was an internet engineering task force) contains a list of the 143 second-level domains registered as of July 10, 1986.

Of the 40 listed .com domains, the following are not in the list in the OP article: adelie.com buck.com cca.com mecc.com nbi.com next.com olivetti.com proteon.com pyr.com rca.com tmc.com vse.com

One of the five listed .org domains is not in the article: csc.org

The one listed .net domain is cs.net, also not in the article.


Speaking of DEC.com, it was purchased for $57,500 few years ago by Paul Kocher. I'd say it was a bargain, considering the rich heritage of DEC and it's alexa ranking.


It makes me wonder why would Compaq / HP, or whoever was owner of DEC at the time, have let this valuable asset go for so little...


Yahoo began liquidating a bunch of old domains back in ~2013 (eg AV.com, formerly owned by AltaVista; Sled.com; and Sandwich.com for $137k, formerly owned by Broadcast.com, among hundreds of others), HP might have been doing something similar. Sweeping out the closet. $57k for a solid three letter domain with history certainly does seem cheap. I wonder what Musk paid for X.com, to get it from PayPal (surely seven figures).


How valuable was it really to HP/HPE? It's a domain name for a long-gone computer company. It's not like HPE has a big business in legacy DEC gear.

Even if someone else can wring some money out of it with ads or whatever, HPE isn't in that kind of business. Even for a big company, $60K is still $60K if you can get it for something that ha no value to you.


Whoever owns the trademark can file a trademark dispute and get the domain back for "cheap".


just like hydrox cookies


Why would it have a high Alexa rating. Seems suspicious.


Funny that the 20th domain ever registered had a hyphen in it (bell-atl.com). They probably thought it would be easier to read than bellatl.com or bellatlantic.com


Maybe they saw domains as variables: don't use more than 8 characters ?


or MS-DOS 8.3 filenames ?


I think we just took symbolics.com down. Doesn't load right now for me, i'm wondering how much traffic it normally sees.


The remains of real Symbolics are here [1].

[1] http://www.symbolics-dks.com/


Blimey. That is some early 90s web chic going on there, and it's odd that I still find it somewhat appealing.


Same here. We might have took down the old feller.


northrop.com should’ve been kept and redirected to http://northropgrumman.com


It doesn't surprise me that Northrop were early into domain registration, they always were an unconventional-thinking company.

Nor does it surprise me that the post-merger leadership abandoned the domain name. I think that says a lot about their attitude ( acquire, grow, acquire )


gmr.com whois - General Motors Research & Development Center of General Motors Research & Development Center since 2017. Gmr was registered with Network Solutions LLC. on May 08, 1986. General Motors Research & Development Center resides in WARREN, USA and their email is rpresby@mail.com.

They could’ve just pointed it to http://gm.com


Think.com was owned by Oracle for a long time.

I always forget that dashes are allowed in domain names.


Did it have any relationship to proto-digital-agency THINK New Ideas? I remember them from the 90's.



I assumed it was going to be ThinkPad related. IBM or Lenovo should have snapped it up


"Think" was an actual IBM slogan well before ThinkPads. [0] (Which is also the reason behind Apple's "Think Different"). I guess the idea of using slogans as effective domain names wasn't as popular as today.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_(IBM)


are single letter domains not allowed? surprised two letter domains are not more common.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-letter_second-level_dom...

tl;dr: IANA reserved all the single-letter domains in 1993, except for some that had been grandfathered in.

All the two-letter .com domains are registered, and only available on the secondary market.


There's also single-character punycode domains, e.g. ¢.com which converts to http://xn--8a.com


x.com, but maybe it's not one of the oldest


There's x.org as well - the Open Group. But it wasn't registered until 1997.


Except that x.org was one of the single-letter domains grandfathered in 1993.


the irony of think.com being a dead end street is strong.


For the record: the first .com companies were mostly heavy AI/Lisp users:

Symbolics -> Lisp Machines, Lisp software

BBN -> Jericho Lisp Machine, BBN Lisp, various Lisp applications

Thinking Machines -> Connection Machine CM1, a massive parallel accelerator for Symbolics Lisp Machine, *Lisp

MCC -> had a network of 100+ Lisp Machines, developed Cyc, Orion (a Lisp OODB) and a Lisp-based CAD system - amongst others

Xerox -> Interlisp, Interlisp-D Lisp Machine

SRI -> AI research with lots Lisp applications


Were original registrations done by mail?

I see 5 domains registered on Aug. 5th, 1986, then no more domains for another month. And 12 on Dec. 11 1986, then again another month with no registrations.


Yes, they were done by email and were a massive pain in the ass. There was a text file template you'd fill out and email it to ISI. The domains were free but you had to have working nameservers for them and that was the tough part. As a young undergrad in 1993, I wanted to register a few but couldn't find anyone to serve DNS for me. The Vanderbilt IT staff was unwilling to help and I didn't know anybody else until I met my buddy Bob Collie (who owns bob.net). I ended up registering cjs.com, grateful.com, eleet.com and some others but let most of them expire when I couldn't afford the annual $70 per-domain fee that Network Solutions started charging after they took over from ISI. The only one I kept was bikeworld.com, which I had registered for my dad's bike shop. He still uses it today.


Sup, Chris?

I hated having to use the InterNIC template when I was handling domain regs back at that place we were both involved with.


I love when people on hn know each other.


I believe they were done by email or online form (edited to be more accurate), but were all verified by a human and entered into the database manually. So you had to wait for the processing run to get your domain in, which was at the whims of the person who had to process them.


>...web form...

Note that this actually precedes the web by several years


Good point, I should have been more specific and said gopher form, but I didn't want to confuse the youngins. :)


You sent them in by email.

The SRI NIC had a template file you'd fill out and email it in. For example, see RFC-1032: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1032

I registered my first .edu in 1986 (maybe 1987) and my first .com in 1988.

It was done similarly for getting IP blocks assigned. I emailed in a form around 1986 and got a class B assigned for my university (still in use).


I think you could do online+fax-followup from sometime around 93 or 94, but until then: mail. Even then online was dodgy (unreliable) at best. Easier to call ISI and see how they wanted it this year...

EDIT: I operated a regional thing off BBN, and I could do the nasty bits of hoisting myself to administrative acceptance. I can't imagine what it must have required for someone just trying to 'join' before 1990-or-so.


Yup, they sure were.


In the sea of dead links, early tech companies, think tanks, and so on, I was happy to see my local (Boston) PBS and NPR affiliate, WGBH. I don't usually think of public broadcasting as an early tech adopter, so even in Boston it was a pleasant surprise to see they registered one of the first 100 .org domains.


We have https://octopus.com, which is on the list. And first registered the year I was born. Has an interesting history: http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/text/2011/d2011...

> Respondent Yana Beklova, who at one stage worked for the Complainant, requested an amount between USD 500,000 and USD 1,000,000 for the transfer of the disputed domain name, that the registrant of the disputed domain name sought to hide its identity through a WhoIs privacy protection service, that the Respondents tried to transfer the disputed domain name out of the reach of the Australian courts to avoid legal proceedings after having received the cease and desist letter, that some of the Respondents named by the Complainant have been involved in previous UDRP proceedings, which suggests a pattern of conduct, and that the disputed domain name was registered to intentionally attract customers looking for the Complainant’s website for commercial gain by creating a likelihood of confusion.


God I love octopus. Thank you for your work!


Should also include an .edu list.

IIRC, rice.edu was the 8th domain registered on the entire internet.


Wikipedia seems to have it [0]. Sad to say, looks like Cal beat Stanford :(

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_oldest_currently_r...


I don't believe Wikipedia. The fourth IETF proceedings lists 90 .edu domains registered as of July 10, 1986.

Of those, 18 are still currently registered but are not in Wikipedia's list: buffalo.edu colgate.edu du.edu houston.edu lehigh.edu merit.edu mosis.edu riacs.edu sdsu.edu sunysb.edu tmc.edu ucar.edu uchicago.edu uiowa.edu umb.edu uoregon.edu villanova.edu vt.edu

A further 7 are no longer registered: mich-state.edu ntsu.edu ogc.edu pittsburgh.edu ukans.edu wanginst.edu waterloo.edu


Yeah, it must be based on querying whois, but for example, whois shows that uchicago.edu was registered in 1991 and northwestern.edu was registered in 1999 (!!). I suppose there may have been some lapse in the registration or something...


Northwestern used to be nwu.edu, but they rebranded in 1999 (which happened to be my sophomore year there).


I'm surprised utah.edu is so far down the list, considering the early history of ARPANET. (Well, at least we beat byu.edu, if only barely.)


I wonder what the story is behind nordu.net being the first registered domain name (I'm assuming it's the same nordu.net that exists today; I don't actually know although the dates seem to match up.) It is associated with research networks but it still seems a bit odd that they registered before BBN, Berkeley, and organizations like those.


If i remember correctly, they created the first transatlantic ARPA link in the first years of proto-internet, so they were there from the beginning, ie before DNS. Maybe they just stared to use DNS earlier than Berkeley.

They had a rather respectful network in 1993, they probably had been running for more than 15 years by then.


You learn something new every day. I actually had to look them up. It appears that they're unique in having registered a domain name on the same day that DARPA registered the TLDs.

ADDED: I do wonder if the date is fudged a bit. I suppose it's possible that both DARPA and Nordic network people were hard at work registering things on New Year's Day but I have my doubts :-)


My employer, MITRE, is known for being the first to register a .org TLD. It's a pretty neat bit of computing history.


Anecdotally they also chased after a consultancy using mitre.com and forced them to give up their domain. The founders had gone to MIT and Rice University and were in a completely different sector but MITRE didn't care.


MITRE's not really a consultancy, but I wouldn't call them a completely unrelated field. Mitre.com now belongs to the soccer ball company so they couldn't have been too tight-fisted with it.


Former employee, but I was thinking the same thing when I saw the story.


Why hello there, I was just about to point out the same fact.


Just a side question... how could I have registered a domain name back in the 80's? What was the process back in those days ?


Back when .net domains were actually networks.

And seeing fidonet.org brought back a wave of nostalgia.


What was registration fees back then? Why wouldn't people just squat on a bunch of two/three letter domains? Was it prohibitively difficult to register..


You're looking at it with hindsight; at the time very few people had even heard of domain names, let alone why they should register a domain name, or that they would - eventually - be worth some money.

I'm fairly sure if you extended the list to idk, 1000 or 10.000 you'd see all two/three letter domains being taken. Same with e.g. Twitter accounts. You might still have a chance with your local Slack team though.


> Was it prohibitively difficult to register..

First you had to know what the internet was.

There was a massive wave of domain-squatting round about 2000 in the dotcom boom, and as a result "trademark reform" was enacted to allow brands to confiscate their named domains from domain squatters.

Also, quite a lot of domains had specific requirements. You either had to be in the country, or a specific kind of business, or know the sysadmin running the registry personally.


Piling on what others have said, the Web wasn't even a thing until the early 90's. There was minimal commercial value in a domain name at that point, so no incentive to squat on it and try to extort money. What did your average business or person care about a domain name in 1987? It wasn't one of the most critical pieces of your brand, as it is now.


I have two forward-thinking friends who grabbed their initials, so they have 3-letter .com domain names.


Nobody saw a value in domain names. People didn't think we'd run out of domains. People didn't think that the internet would become mainstream, or that it would continue to exist in that form for a long time.


For that matter, /8 blocks were given out, if not quite like candy, certainly with considerable abandon. A fair number of the early universities and companies who registered ended up with complete /8 blocks all to themselves.

[EDIT: Duh. Of course, it was actually Class A blocks at the time.]


Just to nitpick, this was before CIDR, so you're probably referring to Class A blocks, of which there were only 125 (the first octet being 1-9,11-126).


Class C's were literally given out like candy. I have my own /24, and know several others who do, as well.


> Class C's were literally given out like candy.

Are you implying that they were printed out, individually packaged, and offered in a bowl?


Totally. ;) In all seriousness, I had friends who emailed Internic with fake company names and their home address. They received a Class C allocation in about a month.


https://xkcd.com/195/

Maybe a little out of date by now, but still, you can get a feel for it.

Apple, Ford, HP, DEC, Xerox, among others all have full /8 blocks.


Halliburton had 34.* and 134.132.* as of 2015 when I last worked there, but I looked a few months ago and they've sold off some of that /8 to Amazon and others.... A lot of places with /8s are fixing their wasteful allocations and making good money off of it.


Yep, MIT also sold off, as I recall, about half of their Class A to Amazon a while back.


Paul Allen sued me (us) to claw interval.net back in early 1995...


I know I didn't register any domains because there was social pressure not to register them if you didn't have a use for them.

Big mistake that was..........


There probably was no notion that domain names would become valuable and scarce.


There was some nominal fee, it wasn't much. Frankly the idea of squatting on names and such just didn't enter people's minds until the early 90s.


At least through 1992-1993 the registration was free, all it took was an email to a bot at InterNIC that handled the form.

I remember having a two-digit handle with InterNIC, too bad that wasn't worth anything. =)


There was actually no registration fee at all until 1997. I registered several domains that were "free" and remember having to pay $99/year for them at one point...


Yeah, after I posted that I realized that what I was remembering was a lot of fuss that they were going to charge, although I could have sworn that was more like 94-95ish. I do remember thinking that the amount was such that it'd not impact large companies but an individual, such as poor college students like myself at the time, might find it onerous.


This must be missing entries. For example, look up ca.com:

created: 1985-01-01

Making it 2 months older than the earliest dot com on the list.


I got: ca.com > Creation Date: 1996-02-09T05:00:00Z


Well that's strange. The company was founded in 1976, so it was certainly plausible that they would be an early domain registration, but 1996 wouldn't qualify as that!

I wonder why you got a different date back?


If you do a whois, there is a: created: 1985-01-01

string in the record (along with the 1996 date), so it's a bit confusing.


That 1985-01-01 is when .COM itself (TLD) was created.


Ah, OK. Got it. Thanks.


Checks one from the 90's:

> This Site Is Under Construction and Coming Soon.

I won't hold my breath!


I'm surprised no-one has pointed out that many UK academic addresses effectively remain from the days of SRCNET/SERCNET -- I forget when it changed -- in the early '80s, and possibly late '70s. It's just that they've changed from the NRS big-endian scheme (as IP addresses) to DNS little-endian, i.e. liv.ac.uk now, instead of uk.ac.liv where I started. (There was a long and short form of most names, so uk.ac.liv and uk.ac.liverpool were equivalent.) Much confusion between, e.g., cs as computer science and Czechoslovakia in the period when both endians were allowed...


I had ign.org registered in the 1994 timeframe. Don't know why I let it lapse!


Lots of business and org names are acronyms, but it really stands out to me how most of the early ones are short. I guess in the age of excessively-long UUCP addresses, it was immediately obvious that short domain names would be preferable to longer ones.


Makes sense since they were probably registered by the computer people, not the marketing people.

Back then (and to a lesser extent now), people tried to make commonly-typed commands as short as possible because keyboards were so beefy, and finger fatigue wasn't uncommon.

It's why the core Unix shell commands are things like "cp," instead of "copy."


> It's why the core Unix shell commands are things like "cp," instead of "copy."

This has a lot more to do with how slow the ASR-33 teletype was/is.


And because memory and disk space were limited.


It's a deeper reason than that. Humans are hardwired to start with short symbols.

Picture a group of humans who evolve a new language. That language will likely start with short sounds, and then progressively build up to longer sounds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCn8zs912OE

Anyone who hasn't read A Mathematical Theory of Communication, you're missing out. It's quite readable and quite cool: http://math.harvard.edu/~ctm/home/text/others/shannon/entrop...


The two letter domain names really stuck out to me. I had a boss ask me back in the early 2000's to register a two letter domain and I was surprised to find that Network Solutions would no longer do that. I didn't spend much time on it so maybe another registrar would but as far as I can remember two letter domains just weren't an option at the point.

I guess TI, GE and HP were smart to grab them when they could!


I’m pretty sure every possible two letter combination was taken before that policy came out.

There used to be an old site that visualized the two- and three-letter domain name space as two- and three-dimensional grids. It was neat seeing the pixels fill in over time.


Looks like you're right - from Wikipedia:

Two-letter .com domain names were never reserved. It was possible for anyone to register them in the very early years of the Internet (from 1985 to 1998). The first company to own an active Two Letter Domain is Hewlett-Packard. Since 1998 all permutations of the 26 × 26 = 676 .com domains have been registered and (barring the very unlikely event of a lapse in registration) they can only be obtained by buying them from the previous owner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-letter_second-level_dom...


Yeah, your "early 2000s comment" really stuck out to me. I'm surprised they lasted through 98.

I remember thinking domain names were for people who "really knew what they were doing" and then was pissed I didn't register one before NetSol started charging (IIRC there was a big outcry because Kraft foods registered like 137 domains right before they started charging).


Since you can also use numbers, shouldn't that read "all permutations (...) 36x36 = 1296 .com domains" ?


> Two-letter

Numbers are not letters, but you're right, that's the correct number of possible two-character .com domains.


Ironically, from what I've come to expect comparing popular websites to phishing websites, I have a knee-jerk worried reaction when I see a URL that isn't 'centre-heavy'.


OMG. I remember those foo!blah!whatever!hey!someonesslowandunreliableboxwithoutanups!mineallmine Thank the flying spaghetti monster for SMTP.


Given how many people / media say we are entering an App world, are domain name still worth a lot of money?

I waited for .Web I think for now close or over a decade? And it doesn't seems to be coming despite all the silly Tld we have now.


It's funny that several of the top ones on the lists use light blue colours prominently. For a moment, I wondered if some of them had been collected and were run by a single organisation.


I had thought two letter TLDs weren’t allowed till the mid 90s... but this shows they were allowed from the beginning. Maybe I’m thinking single alphanumeric domains.


I am surprised by the number of funny/visionary domains. Broken.net, super.org or portal.com as part of these lists is funny.


trivial thing I noticed: eff.org predates fsf.org by ~3 months. must have been a fun time to be at the genesis of so much.


On this note: in 1986 the .nl became official being the first country domain outside of the US with: www.cwi.nl


Is there a way to check the date a specific domain was registered?


Is there a free and unlimited Whois query ?


intel.com is there... microsoft.com isn't.


The oldest domain is still going strong http://nordu.net

NORDUnet is a collaboration between the National Research and Education Networks (NRENs) of the five Nordic countries; Denmark (DeIC), Iceland (RHnet), Norway (UNINETT), Sweden (SUNET), and Finland (Funet). The Nordic region (five countries and three autonomous areas) has a population of 25 million, 9 official languages, and a strong tradition of collaboration. Together, the countries form the world’s 11th largest economy.

NORDUnet was founded in 1985 as a result of the NORDUNET programme and is jointly owned by the five Nordic countries. Each of the Nordic NRENs has a seat on the board and share the base costs according to the country GDP.

NORDUnet operates a world-class network and e-infrastructure service for the Nordic R&E community. The five NRENs develop and operate the national research network infrastructures, connecting more than 400 research & education institutions with more than 1.2 million users.


As a Nordic person whose ISP for several years was NORDUnet (via the university I studied at) I had no idea that they have the oldest .net domain in existence. Pretty cool.


Well NORDUnet has been first with a lot of things, like the first DNS server outside the US, and the first IP router in Europe see: https://www.nordu.net/content/history-nordunet.


.net (and .org) used to have more cachet, interesting how these things evolve.


.edu also. I remember when having .com in your email was looked down on. Back when getting email (via UUCP) was more exciting than getting a letter in the mail.

My first domain registered was "Creation Date: 1994-06-01T04:00:00Z", and it was a total pain in the ass, involving certified letters and other nonsense.


Hmm is that really true? According to this list the 100th .com domain was registered in November 1987, while it took .org and .net until May 1991 and April 1993, respectively, to reach their 100th registrations. It seems there was much more demand for .com right off the bat.

EDIT: I assumed these were all open to anyone as they are today, thereby the number of .coms indicated higher demand/desirability. Seems that .net (and maybe .org as well) used to be restricted, which is what led to their slower pace of registrations. Makes more sense in that context.


.net defiantly as it was originally only for players in the industry .org was always more open.


Anyone remember AOL Keywords?


Crazy to think the oldest domain is 12 days older than me (registered 1985-03-15)


Are you sure? I thought is was nordu.net from 1985-01-01


I like how one of the oldest domains was registered on the day I was born.


i am not that old =p, but thought it was pretty cool to see one of the .orgs on my bday


That's really interesting data! I threw up a quick viz of the data: https://public.tableau.com/profile/braxtone7168#!/vizhome/Ea...




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