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Socrates lived in Athens during Athenian democracy, which was a true and literal democracy, and was executed by democratic vote of 500 Athenian citizen jurors - 52% to 48%, perhaps a validation of Socrates' criticisms of democracy! Aside from that, many individuals at a high level of society and political involvement were direct students of Socrates.

Though in my comment I was alluding to the founding of the US in particular. The writings and philosophy that underpinned the founding and logic of this nation were incredible and undoubtedly set the stage for a rural backwoods colony to, in less than 300 years, become the most powerful and influential nation in the world. Of course much of the philosophy and logic that the nation was founded on has been disregarded or ignored when convenient and it's not so hard to argue that our ongoing success has been more the result of inertia than a fundamental superiority.




People having citizenship and thus right to vote were minority in Athens. And I dont mean just that it excluded women and slaves. It was more then in other cities, but still a minority.

Two of Socrates students, overthrown the democratic government twice and killed a lot of people. Thousands, plus others lost properties or were send away. One of those students was friend of Socrates. The authoritarian killers here being friends and students of Socrates. So you know, some hard feelings are to be expected toward Socrates too.

Maybe he was considered dangerous, because his ideas were used in past to kill a lot of people. Where rule based society would respect amnesty (there was amnesty) despite fear and danger, this one was violent. Socrates might been big thinker, but his death is not the only one in the story that counts or counted for his contemporaries.

It is not totally entirely clear how Socrates was involved with what, but the society there was dealing with a lot of violence in close memory and that is ignoring violence against slaves.

It took a lot of violence too, in coming to power for US, not just writings and philosophy. And a lot of that philosophy was not "disregarded" in violence, but instead used to argue for violence and to defend violence. For both good and bad causes. And a lot of gains were not inertia, it was decision to take things and fight to take things from others. Not that other powers were not like that too, absolutely they were violent and entitled too.

But, the freedom rhetorics was often used to take away property or freedom from others.


You stated previously that Socrates was killed by an authoritarian regime that killed lots of other people. That is false. You're now stating that the Athenian government was violently overthrown with lots of killing in the process, which is also false. The Athenian democracy was overthrown legally and with words and laws.

I'm also not sure what you mean now that the founding US philosophy was used to justify violence. Things like westward expansion is what I imagine you're referencing, but that had nothing to do with the political philosophy of the founding of the nation.


I mixed them up when writing first comment. Don't take my issue with it, google trial of socrates either on wiki or on more historical sites. Read on thirty tyrants. Overthrown democracy for some months with help of Sparta, followed persecutions of opposition, then got overthrown back. This part of story is in most of them, only artistic ones limit themselves to the simple one.

Teritory is one thing, south and west. Freedom and property rights theories were developed and used to argume for slavery expansion and slavery itself. Freedom and destiny no matter what you are about to do, not just the big questions but also the smaller conflicts around.

Both sides of civil war said to fight for freedom too and the affair had huge number of deaths.




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