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Rice grown using seawater in Dubai’s deserts (scmp.com)
164 points by signa11 on June 3, 2018 | hide | past | favorite | 69 comments



> After four decades of cross-breeding and genetic screening, researchers had developed eight separate species but their yields remained too low to make widespread cultivation worthwhile. But last year the team made a breakthrough by doubling the yield to more than 4.5 tonnes per hectare.

Wonder if this was a CRISPR project; seems like an exciting development if so, as perhaps the "brackish water resistant" gene could be inserted into other plants as well.


That quote seems to imply they only tested the cross-bred varieties. No CRISPR.

That said, whoever wrote this article doesn't seem to know the difference between a species and a variety, so i'll take it with a grain of salt ;)


To me, the "... last year the team made a breakthrough by doubling the yield to more than 4.5 tonnes per hectare." part sounds like they changed tack from what they had been trying for the previous 4 decades.

Could be a coincidence though.


Nope, this is good old fashioned cross polination.


'Making GMOs since 1856!'


Haven't we been crossing plants almost as long as we have been cultivating them? Correct me if I'm wrong! :)


Absolutely, I arbitrarily dated from Mendel's experiments.

I figured there's a difference between knowing the method by which something works and simply that it does.


Oh! I didn't even think of that reference. I like it though.


Areas of Australia are affected by high salt levels in the soil [0].

Growing the strains of rice near the shores of saline lakes could perhaps be part of rehabilitation, in which rice crops reduce the saltiness of the land over time.

[0] http://agriculture.vic.gov.au/agriculture/farm-management/so...


Are there any long-term consequences to dumping salt onto the sand? Does it accumulate, or do the deserts shift enough in the wind that it's not a problem?


Are they really just dumping it? Rice paddies are usually submerged entirely. If sea water is acceptable to these plants, one could conceivably just have a canal from the ocean feeding water in (and out), with some minor dams to handle tides. Less energy used than pumping and deals with the problem of salts left behind from evaporation.


Won't water evaporate and salt deposit, like in a salt pond?


Tidal mudflats don't seem to accumulate salt in the same way evaporative salt ponds do, since the water is not trapped allowing for concentration. So maybe something where tidal water is allowed to flush out overly saline water would work?


But wouldn't that also flush out all the nutrients and nitrogen the rice needs to grow too?


I think on hot days you are supposed to "flush" the rice fields with fresh (cooler) water anyway. The runoff then goes back to wherever (a river or in this case maybe the ocean). Assuming that is true, I imagine that means any relevant nutrients are not flushed out by this process.


Other obvious question given "started growing the crop in diluted sea-water" is what is the ratio? Combining the two, does the ratio increase over time due to salt accumulation?


As per [1] there's GMO rice which tolerates 12-15 grams of salt per liter. Seawater (depends on place) is about twice as salty.

Salt accumulation is an issue that needs to be taken care of even with normal irrigation.

[1] https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/08/18/as-sea-levels-...


Yes, we risk turning that wasteland into a desert! /s

Considering the crop's nature, we probably have to assume that it won't be used sand for maintaining rice puddles but rather clay or something which can hold water. For higher concentrations of salt partial desalination can be employed. AFAIK, it's only expensive to desalinate if you want drinking water levels, otherwise it's just some filtering. Also, we can expect continuous work on those varieties of salty water rice to eventually be able to support lower and lower desalination maintenance.


A wise old farmer told me once they're not manufacturing any more farm land. I always believed he was correct, but turns out thanks to science it's no longer true.

It looks to me, thanks to Chinese scientists, the world suddenly has a whole lot more farm land!


Sadly deforestation to make more farmland is still going strong, especially in tropical rainforests.

A simple thing that everyone can do to help is reducing/stopping meat and dairy consumption, because the additional farmland is used to produce livestock feed.


A mere 100 years ago pretty much everything that was for sale, food, clothes, tennis rackets, condoms (or what passed for one), ... was produced from animals.

You'd have to stop doing a hell of a lot more than merely stop eating meat to have any measurable impact.

Also what about the secondary effect ? If you stop eating meat, that will increase supply and reduce demand, and thus drop the price by a lot, which will lead to new customers, both for eating and other applications.

You really want to help ? Buy the rainforest, let it be rainforest. For bonus points, destroy the co2 certificates instead of selling them.

Things just aren't this simple.


You would also have to protect the rainforest. There was a documentary about a guy who did this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKFJjkRZk6Q). And he had to spend a great deal of time (and flights) to try and stop people poaching the wood.


Another free market solution (well, kind of), is for the price of CO₂ to rise enough so it may be economically feasible to "buy the rainforest [to] let it be rainforest". This also should of course come with some mean of allotting taxed resources to the CO₂ consumers.


That one requires global governance which doesn't exist (and frankly seems VERY undesirable).


The seawater is diluted with fresh water (it doesn't give ratio).

Assuming they can get enough fresh water for the dilution, this might work for a limited number of cycles, but what I bet happens in Dubai is that after a period of time that salt builds up in the soil to the point they are unusable even irrigating with fresh water. Unless they can somehow leach the salt well below the root zone which may be possible. After all it is an arid desert and applying a shallow amount of brackish water to a large surface area will result in a lot of evaporation increasing salt content.


Sounds like this would work better in an estuary.

(I.e. in land near where rivers and the sea mix, where the salt levels stays higher than fresh, but doesn't keep going up.)


Assuming they can get enough fresh water for the dilution

New filtration technologies are emerging that make this far cheaper.


As far as we know from this article the ratio may be fresh:seawater, 99:1, I hate this kind of article, you keep hunting for that one piece of info that allows you to estimate the value of the discovery, and it never comes.


With the amount of sun that place gets, they should be focusing on evapotranspiration instead of using seawater on good Sandy soil.

Places near the Dead Sea will probably be a better fit for this kind of rice.


C4-cycle rice, which should need less water and thus eavporate less, is also an area of research.


Using direct sea-water or was it was filtered or diluted?

What about the many chemical pollutants and toxins present in sea water. Does this method of agriculture have any affect on produce and land?


Diluted at least 50-50, but I don’t know the answer to your second and third questions, sorry.


Remember Carthago delenda est?

Well. This is how they did it.


Maybe you are being sarcastic. In any case, the legend that the Romans have spread salt over the ground of the razed city of Carthage has no basis [1].

"Starting in the 19th century, various texts claim that the Roman general Scipio Aemilianus Africanus plowed over and sowed the city of Carthage with salt after defeating it in the Third Punic War (146 BC), sacking it, and enslaving the survivors. Though ancient sources do mention symbolically drawing a plow over various cities, and salting them, none mention Carthage in particular. The Carthage story is a later invention, probably modeled on the story of Shechem."

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salting_the_earth#Destroying_c...


I live in Carthage and though it's not an agricultural hub by any means, things do grow here.


I was definitely being sarcastic. Also, I didn't know that was legend, nor so recent.

Fact is I'd probably have cracked wise anyway. TIL!


Wow, if we can grow more foods from sea water we could avert world hunger issues as fresh water becomes more scarce and requires more energy to extract.


Sea weed already grows in Sea water, it's a logistics/marketing problem.


Seaweed is calorically weak.


Reverse osmosis desalination just about works with current food and energy prices, with solar bringing energy prices down, freshwater might not be a big deal in the future:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/israel-proves-the...


Converting hydrocarbon power into fresh water seems like a really great idea if you can completely externalize the cost of pumping massive amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. Israeli reverse osmosis plants are almost entirely powered by oil and natural gas. Clean energy desalination may be the goal, but reality is far from there yet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Israel


I recognise that Israel burns oil/gas to clean water, but I do not understand why it's not possible to use solar/wind instead.

Solar/wind is now comparable in price per kWh to the hydrocarbon cycle.


It should be quite possible.

In addition, there's the idea of using pressurized underground aquifers as an energy store (basically, using bending and lifting of the overlying rocks to store the energy when pressurized water is pumped underground). The pressure can be transfered to a clean seawater stream by a device called a pressure exchanger, which can then be fed into a reverse osmosis plant.


Over longer time periods it should be possible.

Constructing gas power plants costs a lot less upfront (~½) and uses almost 0 land by comparison. The site time for the construction should also be quite a lot less. So if you want X amount of power available in a certain place next year, new gas generation is a lot more straightforward.


The reality is far more complex than that. Long term challenges exist. And short term thinkers will advertise this as a silver bullet.


The project took 40 years, if it takes another hundred, I think the Chinese will still continue on.


I don't know the details, but didn't it take the Chinese more than 40 years to learn how to grow rice in such quantities? It was really primitive genetic engineering.


Even more people!

Are we going to breed ourselves to the point we will live like caged chickens? Thats what the future looks like to me.

Having said that, are hunger issues down to lack of production or the politics of food distribution?


You mean like fish?


This reminds me of Incorporated (TV series), with a similar idea of using the deserts for seawater adapted crops. This is so fascinating to see being developed in real life and even more so to be marveled at in an exercise of forecasting the changes it ought to bring into the world. Just to pick a few such changes, this how the deserts will suddenly start worth something (and offer new reasons to be fought over, unfortunately). This is also how dramatic demographic booms took place over the history, so expect UAE to growth several times its current number of inhabitants; or next to it, in Saudi Arabia, expect a growth to something on the order of hundreds of millions!


As amazing as this sounds you've got to wonder what this rice would do to peoples' blood pressure.


Salt levels in food are largely guided by palate. If the amount of salt embedded in the harvested rice is significant relative to the overall sodium load of a typical meal, then its use will be limited to dishes that already contain added salt. In which case salt embedded in the rice will be largely offset by reduced amounts of added salt, keeping the overall dish in balance.

Also it should be noted that the link between high salt intake and negative cardiovascular health outcomes is disputed and is likely less significant than the current mainstream medical advice claims. (Like everything related to dietary science, the evidence on both sides of any argument is poor at best. So take it with a grain of salt. Ha.)


They need to dilute the seawater with freshwater


My take: Resources, though limited, are not fixed. Their availability also depends on science and technology available.


Were the rice invented using genomics or genetics?


Doesn't look like it, just old fashioned selective breeding.


Selective breeding is genetics, just the old school way of doing it.


Selective breeding is genomics. Genetics is when specific genes are artificially inserted


Neither of these statements is true.


The network activity on this page is ridiculous.


IIRC there's some kind of Evangelical prophecy about the ability to grow food in the desert being a sign of the apocalypse. This should go well with Trump's stance on Israel and unpredictability regarding nuclear strategy. ಠ_ಠ


People have been growing food in California for a long, long time though.


Not only California.

The same could be said for Saudi Arabia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrigation_in_Saudi_Arabia#/me...

(and also in Libya IIRC)


So so I still need to add salt to the cooking water?


Talk about trading your future for a relatively brief, near-term gain. This is just going to salt the land cumulatively until nothing will grow there, ever.


In the desert? :)


Yes, using saltwater is making a bad situation worse.

Much of the desert you just need to add fresh water and you can grow things. If you salt the land in the process, that's not going to be the case for long, even with brackish-tolerant species.

"Despite its aridity, the Mojave (and particularly the Antelope Valley in its southwest) has long been a center of alfalfa production; fed by irrigation coming from groundwater and (in the 20th century) from the California Aqueduct." [1]

We grow things in the desert, much of California would be dry desert land if not for simple irrigation - California grows a massive proportion of our food.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojave_Desert#Climate


But where would Dubai ever get fresh water from naturally?

It’s not a bad situation worse; it’s a hopeless situation better.


Only if your position is that desalination of their abundant saltwater is hopeless.

Why you would take that position escapes me.




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