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Another major aspect of jaw development is tongue posture. Resting the tongue on the roof of the mouth and breathing through your nose results in increased jaw development, e.g. a broader palate, thanks to the bone's natural response to give and grow under pressure.

I've been playing with this myself, thanks to discovering recently that I grew up with an undiagnosed mild to moderate tongue tie. I've changed my tongue position, and even as an adult have noticeably expanded my palate such that there is more room in my arch than their was before (as determined by modest gaps developing between my mid-molars).

In short it's been a big discovery for me this year, and the results are manifest in my life. Sad that this is not well understood by orthodontists and such everywhere.




Can you point me to more on this? A technical name for it, etc

I have bruxism at night. Generally, my jaw grinds down too much. Hard to stop, because I'm asleep.

I tried pushing my tongue up to the roof of my mouth, and it feels like the opposite of grinding. I'd like to research and see if there's any link. (I'm really out of options for reducing bruxism)

Are you pressing the tongue or just resting it up top?


The practice is called orthotropics. I can vouch for this user's experience myself, have had difficulty breathing for many years which led to poor teeth and a narrow palate. Once I received a palatal expander i realized how important it was to keep tongue pressure flat on the roof of the mouth. I practice regularly now and have seem improvements to teeth, breathing, and facing structure. It's a shame this stuff isn't taught more. You can find more details in this video: https://youtu.be/eh9OqEd5z1k


Could you provide more resources that demonstrate the science, such a studies or journal articles? I was interested and didn't find anything.

Additionally I found this that seems to suggest skepticism: https://www.nature.com/articles/sj.bdj.2014.711


I understand your skepticism. But you should start with the orthotropics youtube channel. Obviously, not an unbiased source of information. But it's a start from which you can at least critically evaluate what they say.

Another thing to bear in mind is that scientific theories are obviously developed faster than they can be proven. And as long as what Orthotropics is not invasive you can try what they preach yourself and draw your own conclusions rather than wait for academic silos to try prove that the method works.

I am trying it on myself. The results are not magical, but I can feel them, I can breathe better. And at the end of the day that's what matters most


When pressing your tongue against the top of your mouth, do you keep your teeth close together or with a slight opening?


My mouth is closed but my teeth are not in contact.


Yeah busterbaxter has it right, Orthotropics is the name.

I push hard on the roof of my mouth as often as I’m able and have it in mind, as firmly as I think I safely can (bone is sturdy but I imagine it is possible to over-stress it), because I’m trying to actively remodel my face and there was some doubt in the beginning whether that was possible at all as an adult.

As of now the results are clear, my jaw swings farther forward and up, before it was compressed back by the rearward position of my maxilla. The differences are not huge - measured in milimeters, but the difference in articulation can be felt and seen. I actually remember the day I was able to shift my jaw forward to a relaxed position while closing it. My face is now shorter/squarer and broader in appearance. Previously it was consistent with “long face syndrome”. Look up photos of that and you’ll see what I see now: a rearward maxilla, and a jaw forced to swing low to meet it.

Anyway, I’m still at it - my goal is to move my cheekbones to meet my brow. Currently they’re set back a bit, but progess is noticeable. Sounds crazy, I know, but it’a true. :P


Poor tongue posture can also cause obstructive sleep apnea where your tongue relaxes too much in your sleep and collapses, closing off your airway and causing you to "wake up" but not in a conscious way 5+ times per hour. The end result is that you wake up feeling extremely tired but do not remember feeling restless at all during the night.


My story is ridiculously similar to yours, thank you for mentioning this alternative to existing dental practices, which don't account for the orchestra that is the tongue, teeth and jaw etc.


Could you tell me more how you’ve done this?


See my above comment




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