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Deleting Facebook now, without good alternatives, might cause more problems than good.

Instead, we should first model what the future of social networking should look like:

https://hackernoon.com/a-new-kind-of-social-network-emotiona...

Then I am curious to hear people's thoughts on:

- Mastodon

- Secure Scuttlebutt

- Steemit

etc.



> Deleting Facebook now, without good alternatives, might cause more problems than good

It's safe to do it now. I got you covered:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk

http://www.spacex.com/

https://www.tesla.com/


What's this mean? Really rich dude did something, you should too?

Is it not "safe" to do something until the guy people worship does something? Have respect for yourself.


Parent is saying that the Facebook alternative is a personal/corporate website.


Maybe (though it's vague enough to mean anything), but it's definitely of the Musk does it, you can too variety.

Those alternatives never went anywhere for the past 14 years. Musk is late to the game, what's his wiki prove?

The "I've got new respect for Musk" mantra (actually stated in this thread) when he's doing what other people have been doing for a decade, only difference is, he's rich, is very follow the crowd for something which prides itself on individuality like HN.


I think that the message ModernMech is trying to convey is the following:

-if you want to read the news for Tesla, go to their website -you don't need to be spied on 24/7 and having that "intelligence" coming back to bite you -you don't need a constant spy to follow you around to any page with a "like" button -you don't need to waste 60mins in cat videos and party photos on a party you were not invited, if your actual need to see the news about the new Tesla XYZ car


I #deletedFacebook a decade ago. I've been more than fine, as will everyone.


Hearing people’s rationalization for why leaving FB is impossible makes you realize how addictive and insidious the product truly is.


Seriously. It's like listening to smokers rationalize why they can't stop.


Conveniently ignoring that smokers do have a substance addition to nicotine.


I'm not ignoring it. The rationalizations just sounds similar, that's all. If anything it speaks to the strength of people's addiction to Facebook.


Secure Scuttlebutt is pretty amazing. I've seen a few demos of people who run a private social network app, Patchwork. Definitely something to look out for.


> I am curious to hear people's thoughts on: Mastodon, Secure Scuttlebutt, Steemit

None of them are very good...?


Many of us use Telegram.

Others use Signal.

Signal advantages: tptacek thinks the crypto is good.

Signal disadvantage: It wont work with limited permissions on your phone according to some people on HN.

Telegram advantage: somewhat more userfriendly. Larger userbase. Works even if you limit its permissions.

Telegram disadvantage: every cryptographer seems to think their crypto is bad. Uncertainty wrt their relations with Russian government. (I think they are enemies but some think they are very good friends or blackmailed into cooperation.)


> Signal disadvantage: It wont work with limited permissions on your phone according to some people on HN.

I'm curious as to what those limited permissions are? I assume this refers to iOS, because in my experience, Android is not as restrictive of apps.


Not anymore, fixed approx. 2 months ago, see changelog:

> This holiday season, don't ask for everything all at once (especially during installation). Signal now supports dynamic permissions.


> Many of us use Telegram.

And some friends and me use Threema. Very old fashioned: you pay some money and get a product. But I wouldn't want to switch.


Imho threema is the best client overall. Very fast, very reliable, great UI, good crypto. Designed for company usage. Security whise however I guess Signal has the upper hand.

They both audit their crypto:

Threema audit: https://threema.ch/es/faq/code_audit

Signal audit: https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/1013.pdf


Sounds like a product I'd like.

I used to like WhatsApp, another app with an old-fashioned business model ...


Disadvantages of Telegram, Signal: Add: don't work on desktops.


Telegram works well on desktops. For me that is part of being userfriendly.


The signal app works fine for me (on Mac)...




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