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the tyranny of 'freedom'



Try tyranny of socialism is far, far worse. Nothing is perfect and imagining it can be will get people killed (Russia, Venezuela, China, Cuba, etc.).

Individual rights are what makes the West successful compared to the rest of the world.


> Individual rights are what makes the West successful compared to the rest of the world.

We're talking about Western-style democratic socialism, as found in Sweden, Norway, Germany, England, etc. here. Terrifying totalitarian hellholes they're not.


I agree with what you wrote, but why does the US have be the same as those countries? Why can't there be a variety of implementations of government such that different humans can choose different situations for their own needs? I'd still like to see Cuba change to a fully democratic communist state, for example.


It shouldn’t and it doesn’t.

But when you discover that a system has way better objective outcomes, e.g. in the case of drug policy or healthcare policy, it’s a shame not to upgrade to a similar system.

Really, the US has a lot of good systems, but healthcare isn’t one of them.


> democratic communist state

I wonder if this is not an oxymoron. In my view, democracy means (a lot of) politics, while communism means no or very little politics (in a true sense of the word).


To be fair, totalitarian regimes are not always socialist, especially the outright fascist ones.


What are some examples?



What do you think will happen when these countries massive debts come due? I don't think they'll be peaceful then. They are living on the backs of their unborn children right now.


These debts come due all the time.

The US has one of the highest debt-to-GDP ratios of the OECD. All of the countries I mentioned have lower debt than we do. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_de...


Why are we pretending its a binary choice?


What socialist government has ever reduced in size? They grow and grow to become fully socialist ala Cuba.


Socialism and bureaucracy are not exactly the same thing.


They're pretty close to being the same thing.


The socialism in Sweden has not killed anyone.


Capitalism + welfare does not equal socialism.


Well, then "state capitalism" shouldn't, either.


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At the moment the American quality of life is objective worse. The American healthcare system of today is killing people or bankrupting them, but Sweden's quality may one day decline to American levels, so that's a strong enough argument to say it's the worse choice?




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